Spyderco paramilitary 2 limited edition sprint c81cfpe2

[KrisOK]

Only 300 of these were made and it's the first such blade from Spyderco and Crucible. The low number and new composite blade technology alone account for the high price. See the thread Clarity on the C81CFPE2 – Para Military 2 Carbon Fiber CPM 154/CPM S90V where Spyderco explains.

I read that. But if that is the case, why not increase the batch size to reduce the 'per unit' price? EVERY PM2 sprint run has sold out, so making say 900 of these would certainly have driven their costs down while still making enough available for the casual collector to grab one. Decisions like that aren't going to mean a thing to the guy on the street who only has one or two knives, but to those of us who are extremely loyal Spydie collectors, it's like a slap in the face.

 

[nccole]

Whatever the case, Im very dissapointed all around. They should make more PM2 sprints, not less and cater to more people not just collectors. I read their reasoning for it. Still makes no sense but that's just my humble opinion.

If you can't get a lot of the new steel, you make as many knives as you can. This PM2 sprint is not the same pure S90V in the Manix XL.

 

[Stays Sharp]

I read that. But if that is the case, why not increase the batch size to reduce the 'per unit' price? EVERY PM2 sprint run has sold out, so making say 900 of these would certainly have driven their costs down while still making enough available for the casual collector to grab one. Decisions like that aren't going to mean a thing to the guy on the street who only has one or two knives, but to those of us who are extremely loyal Spydie collectors, it's like a slap in the face.

...and did you read that Spyderco letter to the dealers and CC members that Howes leaked? They knew it was a surefire seller saying "I am totally confident that you will have no problem selling these". The letter also urges the dealers, some only got as little as ONE piece to "keep it for your own collection". Awesome.

 

[Stays Sharp]

If you can't get a lot of the new steel, you make as many knives as you can. This PM2 sprint is not the same pure S90V in the Manix XL.

So they used their hottest knife that everyone wants as the testbed for S90v? Sounds like a complete business move which is wise on their part then. A steel that we already know how it performs, adding CPM154 to complicate things doesnt change that its S90v at the edge. The hardship in making it and acquiring enough steel to do a proper PM2 run is beside the point. They have every right to do so but surely they knew that many who want one would be left out. Thes are just my opinions of course.

 

[JNewell]

So they used their hottest knife that everyone wants as the testbed for S90v? Sounds like a complete business move which is wise on their part then. A steel that we already know how it performs, adding CPM154 to complicate things doesnt change that its S90v at the edge. The hardship in making it and acquiring enough steel to do a proper PM2 run is beside the point. They have every right to do so but surely they knew that many who want one would be left out. Thes are just my opinions of course.

No, the difficulties of working with a new, essentially experimental steel that is available in very limited amounts is exactly the point. And it doesn't matter which model they used for this, the result would have been exactly the same: people were going to be disappointed. Looking at the pictures that are available, I think this steel project has got some need for technical progress, too - look at how off-center many of the S90V inserts are.

 

[nccole]

So they used their hottest knife that everyone wants as the testbed for S90v? Sounds like a complete business move which is wise on their part then. A steel that we already know how it performs, adding CPM154 to complicate things doesnt change that its S90v at the edge. The hardship in making it and acquiring enough steel to do a proper PM2 run is beside the point. They have every right to do so but surely they knew that many who want one would be left out. Thes are just my opinions of course.

If you are a Spyderco fan like most here, you surely love that they are always innovating and trying new things. It is not about how S90V performs, it is about how a new cladding process would compare to a solid piece of steel. They are actively doing research and development with Crucible (the maker of the new clad steel). Crucible could only supply enough to do a small batch, so the hardship in acquiring enough steel is not beside the point. The other options for Spyderco would be to do internal testing and throw them away, instead they sell them to recoup costs and some lucky people get them. They could wait until Crucible can supply them enough steel, but the date codes on this 300 run batch were months apart as it was. They plan to do a couple of other smaller runs of other models as the steel is available. No one really knows the full story either. Maybe there are concerns with how the clad works with the compression lock, and also concerns with how it works with the ball lock (Manix), so they are doing test runs. It sucks that everyone cannot be pleased, but at least they put them out there. In my opinion, any insinuation that Spyderco is being greedy, and purely trying to make a buck is ludicrous. They aren't making big money on this run. They could make a lot more money making standard PM2's and not put time and energy into developing new technology. I for one am pleased they are doing it. Maybe nothing long term production wise will come of it, but maybe some great things will.

Sorry for some repeating JNewell, I had this reply to open for a while.

 

[shunsui]

... Decisions like that aren't going to mean a thing to the guy on the street who only has one or two knives, but to those of us who are extremely loyal Spydie collectors, it's like a slap in the face.

That's not a slap in the face, this is a slap in the face.

[video=youtube;60YeQtMAH0U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YeQtMAH0U[/video]

 

[bh49]

It is not about how S90V performs, it is about how a new cladding process would compare to a solid piece of steel.

this.
Also I would like to add. In general I do not like laminated blades, mostly due to very visible uneven laminated lines. All my knives starting with Jess Horn had them. It is end up with me stopping even think about buying any. Anyway, I was lucky to get Para2 in S90V/ CPM154 configuration. Laminated lines barely visible. I am happy camper.

 

[crya]

I'm looking at some on the Secondary market. Does anyone know if the blade is supposed to have a number etched on the blade right beside the Spyder logo, on the left of the blade?

 

[RevDevil]

I'm looking at some on the Secondary market. Does anyone know if the blade is supposed to have a number etched on the blade right beside the Spyder logo, on the left of the blade?

That means it is from the "Collectors Club" the "V" indicates it is a variant of the original. That marking is common throughoutnall models for the CC and has no significant bearing on price.

http://paulberetta.com/spy101_numbered_knives.htm