Spyderco Puukko is out

[RSD100]

I've got about 20 knives in S30V. I disagree with anyone who says it's difficult to sharpen. And yeah, my Sharpmaker seems to work fine on it.

Queen Cutlery's D2, though? Don't go there.

Canal Street Cutlery's D2 steel is top notch, holds an edge beyond belief. Or maybe you don't like Made in America? Your turn, again.

 

[yablanowitz]

Yes, I have, want to compare? You go first, and why was I dumb? Because I support keeping jobs in America? PS, the hole in the blade has NO practical value. Your up.

First, are you aware that thirty years ago, there was no such thing as a made in America Spyderco knife? Or that twenty years ago, Spyderco did not have a production facility of their own in this country? How do you "keep jobs in America" that weren't there in the first place? Second, displaying a registered trademark has practical value. Brand recognition is vital in the marketplace. When was the last time you saw a new car without the maker's logo on it somewhere?

Canal Street Cutlery's D2 steel is top notch, holds an edge beyond belief. Or maybe you don't like Made in America? Your turn, again.

Queen is famous for shipping their D2 knives with horrible edges. The last batch I received averaged 70 degrees included angles on the edges. Trying to reset one to 30 degrees included a SharpMaker would be a daunting task to say the least. Once you manage to get a good edge on Queen D2, it holds up quite well.

 

[The Deacon]

First, are you aware that thirty years ago, there was no such thing as a made in America Spyderco knife? Or that twenty years ago, Spyderco did not have a production facility of their own in this country? How do you "keep jobs in America" that weren't there in the first place? Second, displaying a registered trademark has practical value. Brand recognition is vital in the marketplace. When was the last time you saw a new car without the maker's logo on it somewhere?

Totally agree with you on the first point. Spydercos made overseas are what allowed the Golden plant to be built. Every job at Spyderco, with the possible exceptions of Sal's and Gail's only exists because of the knives and equipment made outside the USA. Not sure about the second point. Counter argument would be that the trademark is the round hole opener and that trying to extend it to a non-functional round hole, or making the somewhat questionable claim that the hole in a FB knife serves as a forward lanyard hole dilutes, rather than strengthening, the trademark claim.

 

[C_Claycomb]

Yes, I have, want to compare? You go first, and why was I dumb? Because I support keeping jobs in America? PS, the hole in the blade has NO practical value. Your up.

To the user the hole in a fixed blade has no practical value, but it does have a practical value to Spyderco and plays a part in protecting jobs in America.

A 120grit DMT is almost a prerequisite when purchasing a Queen D2.

 

[yablanowitz]

I didn't mention forward lanyard hole because I find the concept laughable on anything but a competition chopper. It certainly wouldn't be useful as such on a knife like this. As I recall, one of the points raised by the keyboard lawyers (who don't appear to understand that patents and trademarks are different things) in a previous "round hole" debate was that if the round hole was a legitimate trademark, Spyderco would put it on fixed blades as well. Guess what? Now Spyderco is putting it on their fixed blades. Anyone who doesn't like it is cordially invited to not buy one. Functionally, it doesn't matter either way to me.

 

[338375]

I just stumbled onto a link for this thread, and haven't been in the Spyderco s/f for awhile. I'm not going to spend the time to read all of the posts, and whining, but I think it's a nice looking knife...

S30V steel ? Why not ? A small hole in the blade ? Why not ? Granted it is not something one would see on other Pukko's, but it is a Spyderco, and most people associate the hole with Spydercos... Look at Spyderco knives in general. IMHO a lot of their designs are, well lets just say they are very different.
I have owned a few, and have been very happy with them, but there are quite a few that make me say WTF ? That said, I give them a lot of credit for thinking outside the box, and on top of that, they are a great company.
So, IMHO that is what they did with this knife. Thought a little outside the box, and gave the knife a feature that will tell people, it's a Spyderco.

I think it's a great looking knife, and wouldn't mind owning one, even with S30V steel, and a hole in the blade. I don't want one bad enough to pay over 200 for it, but as time goes on, and some used ones hit the market, I would probably grab one. YMMV

 

[Sal Glesser]

Interesting thread.

We've had 3 knife designer/makers comment. Seems to be a riff, even after all of the comments. I'll try to help explain, but I just got back into town so it won't all be tonight.

Regarding the design: The design was created by Pekka. Puukko's aren't my area of expertise so I go to the experts. Pekka is a highly respected designer/maker. This is a collaboration between Spyderco and the custom maker. We built the knife as he designed it. We used the steel of his choice. While some might have designed it differently or used a different steel, We followed Pekka's choice. The Bushcraft is 01 because the designer Chris Claycomb chose 01.

Regarding the hole: A single round hole in a specific location on the blade of a knife is our trademark. An identifying mark like the cross on the Dodge grill or the diagnal line in the grill of a Volvo. As you probably already know, a trademark can have no function or it will not work as a trademark. That is Traedemark law. The hole in the Puukko is our trademark. It has no function. That does not mean that it does not have purpose. It's purpose is our trademark. It's also a very important purpose and if you cannot see that purpose, perhaps more information might help your understanding. I'm sure if it was your company and your trademark, you would have made the same choices.

Regarding the price / Taiwan / US workers: The steel is made in America by Crucible (Syracuse, NY). The AZ Ironwood does in fact come from Arizona, cut and processed by US workers. By the time we ship steel to Taiwan, do the import/export work, shipping costs, duties, etc, The cost to build is maybe a tad less than if we were to produce it in our US factory.

Taiwan is capable of very good quality and not a cheap as many think.

sal

 

[JNewell]

Yes, I have, want to compare? You go first, and why was I dumb? Because I support keeping jobs in America? PS, the hole in the blade has NO practical value. Your up.

I've got a great idea. Let's have Spyderco plan a massive plant expansion, borrow a lot of money to finance it, then go bankrupt or sell to a "private equity" firm (that will close the plant and take the trademarks to overseas products).

 

[5.56]

I've got a great idea. Let's have Spyderco plan a massive plant expansion, borrow a lot of money to finance it,............snip

There are atleast two other manufacturers, in your sig alone, that have successfully done exactly what you just called a "good idea"

Edited to add: In fact, they both just purchased multi-million dollar facilities right here in Southern California. And we have some of the highest real estate costs in the USA.