Spyderco Southard: Excessive Praise and Hype? (Or: Purchase One Now!)

I have flippers, they aren't so much. You get to push the blade out with a "button" located in a place that reduces the grip on the knife - the index finger is on the back of the handle, which promotes holding the knife by the finger tips. I'd rather thumb it open, trapping it in the palm. I think it's more secure.

One thing left out of the discussion is the looks - just one or two comments on it, but no analysis. If there is much reason to design another knife in this market, it's all about what they look like. Style. That beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you either like this one, or don't. Something is attractive, or distractive.

What I see is an Osborne Rift blade married to a Hinderer handle. It's not detail for detail a copy, no. Neither are a lot of other knives that get demonized for being copies, ripoffs, or intellectual property thefts. I just see similarities, and in this market, those shapes are considered high end, quality, and desireable.

Priced where it is, considering the country of origin, it's a hit. Among some. Not all. We can wax poetically about the smoothness of it's operation, so far, so do Sebenza owners - but not everybody likes the looks of those, either. We buy knives for looks, and I would suggest, that's usually first priority. If not, any decent "generic" knife would do - like a Griptillian.

How long it might stay in production is much more related to how long the looks stay popular. How many have Spyderco Captains and are looking for more? The simpler knives with graceful aesthetics seem to hang on longer in many cases, the Southard has that look. It could survive long enough to get brought back to Golden and a line set up for it. Maybe. There are always newer fashions to follow, new designers coming up with a newer look. There's only so much production capacity, and the what gets carried into the next year is what sells. That's the only criteria. Who would have thought knives would look like they do today in the heyday of the Buck 110?

I'll just go ahead and say it, if I wanted a 950 or Hinderer, I wouldn't necessarily be looking to Spyderco for an amalgam. That doesn't make the result a poorly made knife by any degree - we've gone 8 pages on how wonderful it is, already. But that doesn't mean that the styling exercise is all that - picking up fashion cues from established makes isn't all that groundbreaking. It's following the herd, and having the knife made in Taiwan seems to be a hedge to dropping it easily with no interruption in plant scheduling here in the US.

If you like it and want one, I wouldn't worry, they'll be in the sale forums and auctions for awhile, especially when the next Great Knife comes out in a few more months. Flippers will be flippers.
 
Ok I have been one of the most outspoken people on this thread that the Southard was hype. I got a late xmas gift card which made the price not too painful and picked one up.

Somethings I really like, and some downers for sure.

Out the gate I love the blade shape and it is thin behind the edge, but I wish spine was thinner.

G10 is rougher than I was expecting and the little point at spyder hole is sharp if I keep it I will definitely round that.

The flipper "action" I like better than the 56x although this may vary knife to knife, and I am not a HUGE flipper fan. I can take'em or leave'em.

The pocket clip is not as annoying as it looked in pics and vids, so that's a plus.

The big downer for me though is the fit in the hand, ergos are a bit cramped for my hand. It would be fine for EDC, but if I were to use this knife for long periods, I would hate it.

Definitely a good EDC size though.

Overall I am a bit underwhelmed. It is a nice knife and good materials, and I think the thing that kills it so fast is ergos for me. If the handle had been a touch more form fitting, the stoke would've been a bit higher. Will give it a couple days to see if it stays.
 
Only a custom maker can fit a knife to our hands. We basically roll the dice and hope on production knives. I suspect the Southard is quite a bit more comfortable than some massively tacticool knife with dozens of HSLD grooves and divots all over it digging into every part of the grip. But, when I'm that deep in the field, I wear gloves, which smooths things out.

Don't let the immediate ergos be a stopping point. It's like carrying clipped tip up or down. Do it enough both ways and you only need a few draws in the morning to set which way you are working with it for the day. It's that first two weeks after carrying the other way for years that you need to be get used to. You can, tho. After that, then the things that don't work out - consistently - start moving to the top of the list. The clip that isn't quite right, the thumb stud too sharp, the detent too stiff, etc. Some you can fix, some you can't and you have to decide - get used to it, or get rid of it.

Give it time, I've seen it take 6 months to a year sorting out whether a knife is worth it. Hence the comment on flippers being flippers.
 
Oh don't get me wrong, as an EDC ergos are fine. If the cut out wasn't there ergonomically it would remind me of Caly or UKPK in hand, but with the cut out my index finger is cramped if I'm choked up, or pinky is off back if I give index from space.

Let me add I do love the looks including the brown G10 and even the off balance thickness from scale side and lock side. The blade shape to me is a thing of beauty as well being a exaggerated cross between Rock Lobster and Insingo. Also I'm with you on overkill of grip on some tacticool flippers. I have found too after a bit of flipping to be not only a little smoother than 56x, but a lot smoother. I am also a fan of the mild jimping on top. It does have a lot of pluses, and ergos are not a deal killer for EDC, but are a minus in overall points.

It has already grown on me enough to stay awhile just in aesthetics and smoothness
 
I have flippers, they aren't so much. You get to push the blade out with a "button" located in a place that reduces the grip on the knife - the index finger is on the back of the handle, which promotes holding the knife by the finger tips. I'd rather thumb it open, trapping it in the palm. I think it's more secure.

One thing left out of the discussion is the looks - just one or two comments on it, but no analysis. If there is much reason to design another knife in this market, it's all about what they look like. Style. That beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you either like this one, or don't. Something is attractive, or distractive.

What I see is an Osborne Rift blade married to a Hinderer handle. It's not detail for detail a copy, no. Neither are a lot of other knives that get demonized for being copies, ripoffs, or intellectual property thefts. I just see similarities, and in this market, those shapes are considered high end, quality, and desireable.

Priced where it is, considering the country of origin, it's a hit. Among some. Not all. We can wax poetically about the smoothness of it's operation, so far, so do Sebenza owners - but not everybody likes the looks of those, either. We buy knives for looks, and I would suggest, that's usually first priority. If not, any decent "generic" knife would do - like a Griptillian.

How long it might stay in production is much more related to how long the looks stay popular. How many have Spyderco Captains and are looking for more? The simpler knives with graceful aesthetics seem to hang on longer in many cases, the Southard has that look. It could survive long enough to get brought back to Golden and a line set up for it. Maybe. There are always newer fashions to follow, new designers coming up with a newer look. There's only so much production capacity, and the what gets carried into the next year is what sells. That's the only criteria. Who would have thought knives would look like they do today in the heyday of the Buck 110?

I'll just go ahead and say it, if I wanted a 950 or Hinderer, I wouldn't necessarily be looking to Spyderco for an amalgam. That doesn't make the result a poorly made knife by any degree - we've gone 8 pages on how wonderful it is, already. But that doesn't mean that the styling exercise is all that - picking up fashion cues from established makes isn't all that groundbreaking. It's following the herd, and having the knife made in Taiwan seems to be a hedge to dropping it easily with no interruption in plant scheduling here in the US.

If you like it and want one, I wouldn't worry, they'll be in the sale forums and auctions for awhile, especially when the next Great Knife comes out in a few more months. Flippers will be flippers.

Very good post. I agree with you completely except for just one thing. I really like flippers. Opening a knife using my trigger finger is far more natural for me than opening a knife using my thumb. As a result, I find that knives with flippers are easier to deploy than knives that rely on holes or thumbstuds, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who does. Perhaps that's why major manufacturers like Benchmade and Spyderco have started producing them.
 
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The Brad Southard is a sweet flipper. Excellent bladesteel and blade-length.
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Yep. I just wish it was a little thinner, a little lighter, and wee bit more pleasing to the eye . . . or at least my eye.
 
Yep. I just wish it was a little thinner, a little lighter, and wee bit more pleasing to the eye . . . or at least my eye.
That's what I said about my last girl friend :p just kidding.
 
OK, I'm going to necro-bump this thread as a few people said (when it was started) that they wanted someone to bump it in a few years to see what people think AFTER the hype has worn off.

Also, I have had a Brown one from a few years ago, and have a Black one coming tomorrow. Any thoughts on the difference it feel/action between the two???

Looking forward to hearing the comments, as the Southard has been one of my all-time favorite EDC's!
 
OK, since I bumped this thread, I'll post my first impression review of my new Black Southard.

Like I said above, I had the brown one a while back and was impressed with it. I ended up dying the brown scale and back-spacer Black, which looked IMO, better than the brown.

With the new Black one, I am in love all over again. I really like the way the knife feels in the hand. For ME it's about perfect. The new Black blade looks great, especially since the rest of the knife has that blacked out look. It will be interesting to see how the finish holds up, as I've only had this for 2 days.

Flipping action is great, and has gotten quite a bit smoother with the opening/closing/rapid break-in technique I use. Now the thing fires like a beast, and seems faster than the brown one I had a while back. Another thing that impresses me with this knife is what it feels like when closing it. When it snaps closed, you can feel the vibration throughout the entire handle. This thing just feels solid and tight, but is a joy to flip!

The G-10, as some have reported, seems to be a bit milder than the brown. I prefer the feel of the Black over the brown, as it still offers a nice amount of grip without abrading my hand when I put it in my pocket. The pocket clip really doesn't bother me, either, but it seems like I'm in the minority here.

Finally the blade length really gets me on this one. While still about an inch shorter than the handle, it feels and looks almost like a 1:1 ratio. It's great because it carries like a small knife, but cuts and works like a large one. Pretty much the best of both worlds.

I have been carrying a CRK Inkosi since I bought that a while back, and that is a great blade, too. I have switched over to the Southard for the time being to give it a good workout, but I think this will do anything the Inkosi will do, PLUS be more fun with the flipper!

Overall I'm as happy with this Southard as I have been with any CRK or Hinderer I have ever had!
 
I'm late to the Southard getting a brown version from the exchange earlier this year. I'm very impressed with it, the fit and finish are on par with knives costing much more, it cuts well, carrys great and has nice action.

Big :thumbup: from me...and I'm tempted to get a black version as well.
 
Glad you revived this thread GG!!
It seems the Southard's popularity is alive and doing well 3 years later!
You're gonna love that black one bro! Had mine for a few months. Been carried and used plenty. It's smoother than silk, flies open with flipper or the hole, locks up tight as a drum with no movement whatsoever and has an amazing steel that holds its edge beautifully!!
This knife checks every box for me.
Here's a pic cause pics are always good!
Joe
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I thought it was funny when people were losing their minds over the 0562CF and talking about how it was "such a deal" etc etc - when Spyderco had been putting out a 204P Bearing-Pivot framelock flipper for a couple years already... And with a lower street price.

They're tough as nails, too. I accidentally smacked one, edge-first, into a steel pipe while cutting a zip tie off of a metal pipe fence at work and it just barely rolled a tiny bit of the edge. I dropped it, beat it up, carried it with my keys... Still looked great and functioned perfectly.
 
Just picked up a brown one, new in box except missing lanyard tube.

My first flipper, but what interested me was the blade shape and steel. Kind of similar to a CRK Insingo, with more belly. Like a Sebenza, it has very good blade length for the handle size

I've made a Turkish boxwood scale for it, a little thinner than the original G10, and very slightly modified the clip.

It's just a very interesting design, IMHO.

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Just picked up a brown one, new in box except missing lanyard tube.

My first flipper, but what interested me was the blade shape and steel. Kind of similar to a CRK Insingo, with more belly. Like a Sebenza, it has very good blade length for the handle size

I've made a Turkish boxwood scale for it, a little thinner than the original G10, and very slightly modified the clip.

It's just a very interesting design, IMHO.

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I was over the moon with the design of the Spyderco-Southard, when they came out. I nearly freaked, it was so beautiful.

Still a beautiful knife and as good looking as Southard's AVO.

I like my Spyderco Southard and have since day one.

Some didnt like the earth brown scale - I happen to like that color scale a lot. Horses for courses (as with most knife buys, I guess).

One Southard failed at some point and the Spyderco haters fell all over it. IIRC a manufacturing glitch on that sole knife.

How many reports have you heard about since then of Spyderco Southards failing ... ? I thought so. In your face, Southard haters! (KIDDING!):D

There is only ONE thing wrong with the Southard!


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.... You have to buy TWO and send one off to SMOCK - especially if the Positron dont do it for you:D
 
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