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Spyderco Tenacious: Why do people think this knife isn't that great
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mabey you shoudl.
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Alright, I didn't watch the video because I knew this was about more about politics and less about knives. Apparently, I was 100% right. General Knife Discussion is the wrong place for this. This may be better suited for the Political Arena or Whine and Cheese.
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For me personaly I take a stance based on economic stand point, should make it clear that I am by no means an experct but I am currently attending college with a focus in Foriegn Policy and Development. That being said there are two main issues That I want to point out. First is the fact that when using statistics like monthly income we need to use the general populations GDP and the buying power that is repersented diffrently for each region, Will contine with second point in the next comment
After doing this comparison you can actualy tell the basics of what that money is worth. After all of this has been taken into consideration it is important to note that according to the Human Development Report published by the Brenton Woods institution that China ranks 29th at 46% of their population below the poverty line of 2$ per day after buying power exchange rates. Basicly this means that almost half of China is in poverty. continued in next post
Alright now that We have established what percent falls into offical poverty we must compare what percent of the chinese workforce makes up the industrial sector employed by International Corps. This ranges by study from 60-70 percent of the chinese workforce. According now to congresional record keeping the profit margin that results from this labor by American companies per product can range from 11% to 77% based upon the manufacturer. This leaves one to wonder where does spyderco fall?
Tried to just outline the basics of whats actualy going on as far as this goes lol hope it helped establish some information to help answer your questions. But like most companies your not going to get an answer out them on what the % kickback to them is in that 11 to 70% range
just copy pasted this from youtube to lazy to type agin
No. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and try to watch it again.
Didn't work. Big mistake. Never got less boring.
As far as "tough guy" stuff...I don't really use my knives for paper cutting, arm hair shaving, or plastic water bottle decapitating. So, if stuff other than that is "tough guy" stuff...yeah, I guess I do do that.
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No, you can't move it, but you do have to power to lock it up and put and end to this abortion of a thread. You'd be doing yourself and all the members of BFC a big favor.
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just copy pasted this from youtube to lazy to type agin
That is perfect, because I'm too lazy to read it.
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Well your truck was probably made in one of the lovely new plants in Mexico
LMAO....not unless detroit is further south that I thought!!!
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For me personaly I take a stance based on economic stand point, should make it clear that I am by no means an experct but I am currently attending college with a focus in Foriegn Policy and Development. That being said there are two main issues That I want to point out. First is the fact that when using statistics like monthly income we need to use the general populations GDP and the buying power that is repersented diffrently for each region, Will contine with second point in the next comment
After doing this comparison you can actualy tell the basics of what that money is worth. After all of this has been taken into consideration it is important to note that according to the Human Development Report published by the Brenton Woods institution that China ranks 29th at 46% of their population below the poverty line of 2$ per day after buying power exchange rates. Basicly this means that almost half of China is in poverty. continued in next post
Alright now that We have established what percent falls into offical poverty we must compare what percent of the chinese workforce makes up the industrial sector employed by International Corps. This ranges by study from 60-70 percent of the chinese workforce. According now to congresional record keeping the profit margin that results from this labor by American companies per product can range from 11% to 77% based upon the manufacturer. This leaves one to wonder where does spyderco fall?
Tried to just outline the basics of whats actualy going on as far as this goes lol hope it helped establish some information to help answer your questions. But like most companies your not going to get an answer out them on what the % kickback to them is in that 11 to 70% range
just copy pasted this from youtube to lazy to type agin
What questions were supposed to be answered by all of this?
Forgive me, but I did not major in Foreign Policy and Development. I would like to hear the non text book version of this. You know, for the blue collar layman in me.- Joined
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No Tony, you werent 100% right. You just are listening to people that think they know all about something without really looking into it first. The point of the video is how worker costs affect product cost. If you are a buy made in the USA only type, you may want to consider this.
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Dude, let me be clear. I have no personal or emotional connection to you so I don't care what you think, who you are or whatever it is you do. You are the one that started with the nasty comments and are continuing to do so. Why do you feel so compelled to be such a negative nancy know it all?
Do me a favor pal, be a big boy and go about your business, because what's really boring here is you.
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The topic is political regardless of how you rephrase it. That is NOT to say that it is unimportant, only that this is a inappropriate location for such a discussion.
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happy to move it if someone tells me how. sorry my brain was made by low wage workers.
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And that is why this thread should not be in General Knife Discussion. Just because you have a knife in the video doesn't mean the video is about knives. What you say in your video can apply to many different types of business and isn't necessarily only pertaining to knives. I'd be willing to bet that you too are a college student studying Marketing, Business Ethics, or some other field that makes you feel super smart. If you aren't currently in college, then you are just one of these guys who likes to make himself feel smart and self important by spouting off about what's bothering him at the time.
And no, I am not listening to anyone else, but myself. I did end up trudging through your video and social commentary. The only reason I did watch it was because you then couldn't tell me that I never even watched the video.
And by the way, I actually was 100% right. The video had nothing to do with knives and everything to do with politics.
Also, I am not a "buy USA only products" guy because that is purely impossible. When it comes to knives, I buy what I like because I like it. I don't buy because of a "Made in the USA" stamp.
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Obvious troll is obvious. :yawn:
Posts a video full of political junk in a knife discussion forum, then whines about not getting the replies he expected. A recipe for success!
Exactly what I was beginning to think.
Always remember;
DON'T FEED THE TROLL
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I'm not sure he is a troll. I think he's just fairly new to forum and doesn't really know where to post his thoughts. But then again, that's what all those rules and stickies are for. If one was truly smart, they would read and attain all the knowledge they would need in order to post responsibly.
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What questions were supposed to be answered by all of this?
The quicky version then
In china the average worker is paid 2$ an hour which is like holy cow low wage in the united states, one must understand though that that 2$ is like someone who is just below the poverty line in the united states, I wanted that to be clear so that people where not over exagerating the lack of money that these people are making. This is called the "Purchasing Power Parity" or PPP, SO basicly in China 1 US dollar will buy 20$ worth of goods make sense?
Ok next point that the OP expresses is the question are these workers being exploited. To this end one must examine the percent of workers that fall into extream poverty, as of 2005 this wuld be just around 46% so roughly speaking half. Next we take and compare the percentage of workers in China that work for a Multi National Company or MNC, accoring to the United States Congresional record as of 2005 that would be around 60-70% of the poplulation. Taking this into Consideration it is presumable that roughly Half the industrial workers in China are in Poverty due to their wage rate by working for a MNC.
Next we compare the idea tha these products are being manufactured cheaply in China this is both yes and no. As stated the Average % proffit margin according to the US Congresional Record is anywhere between 11% and 70 profit towards the company. For compersion sake, Products made in the USA average around 4-6% profit margin. So to wrap it up, by purchasing goods that are manufactured in china without knowing the profit margin thatis being kicked back to he MNC it is possble that you are in fact re-enforcing the status quo as a consumer. Where as by buying knives made in the USA under the princaples of free market economy you as a consumer are demanding one of three things, firstly that MNC pay a fair wage based upon their profit margin similar to the USA standard, or that the MNC continue its un-ethical buisness practices and go out of buiness due to lack of consumer support, but thats in a perfect world where every consumer is an informed buyer.
If I missed your question feel free to ask me specificly what you want to knwo mroe about and ill attempt to answer it, but for now I have to go to class
have to go win a debate.Why? Because someone posted a video and said
"Please watch and comment!!"
Wait a second......that was you! Heck...if you didn't care what I thought...why did you ask? Or do you only care to hear replies from people who agree with you?
I see that from people a lot. Makes me wonder why they come on forums.
I suppose its only a matter of time before you accuse me of trolling, or being a "fanboy", or "bashing", or not supporting the troops, or Scagel knows what. That's what typically happens.
Anybody want to take bets on which one?
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