Spyderco Tuff Release date?

I've been trying to limit my spydie purchases to 2-3 a year (yes it tough :) ) I've already picked up the Schempp Rock this year -- I think this one will definitely fill the other slot if it comes out in 2011.
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/ColtelleriaCollini#p/u/0/ekSqQXNdmgQ at 4:07 on this video is an all titanium proto
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i do believe the texture on the Titanium side is being changed but i could be wrong. last words from Sal Glesser on the matter was they were finalizing texture beginning of last month.

were all excited for this for the 3v steel which is the closest thing to INFI. it is very tough and can really take a beating without any distortion or breakage.

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It was originally going to be CPM-3V and with an integral Compression Lock, but now it will be CPM-S30V with a Reeves integral Liner Lock. It could be the best knife in its class, but it feels like it has received two downgrades after years and years of being in the making. I'd rather wait longer and have the originally planned Tuff over this rendition. Even if the blade stays with the CPM-S30V "upgrade," please use the Integral Compression Lock. It's why ti is in the periodic table.
 
That chart can't possibly be correct. 154CM and 440C are much tougher than that when properly heat treated.
 
thombrogan said:
It was originally going to be CPM-3V and with an integral Compression Lock, but now it will be CPM-S30V with a Reeves integral Liner Lock. It could be the best knife in its class, but it feels like it has received two downgrades after years and years of being in the making. I'd rather wait longer and have the originally planned Tuff over this rendition. Even if the blade stays with the CPM-S30V "upgrade," please use the Integral Compression Lock. It's why ti is in the periodic table.
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First time I heard that it's gonna be in S30V. Last I heard from the Spyderco forums, it was going to be in 3V.
 
thombrogan said:
It was originally going to be CPM-3V and with an integral Compression Lock, but now it will be CPM-S30V with a Reeves integral Liner Lock. It could be the best knife in its class, but it feels like it has received two downgrades after years and years of being in the making. I'd rather wait longer and have the originally planned Tuff over this rendition. Even if the blade stays with the CPM-S30V "upgrade," please use the Integral Compression Lock. It's why ti is in the periodic table.
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negative..... mr schempp and sal have BOTH recently confirmed the use of 3v and NOT s30v on the TUFF, i dont know where you got your information but it is wrong. and yes the RIL is being used instead of the integral compression lock(which makes me sad as well). I trust Sal and the spyderco crew enough to know that if they changed something it was for a reason. Please do your homework before posting :)

the prototype was made in s30v im sure because it was readily available at spyderco.

and before you respond with anything regarding s30v.... here is the thread where SAL himself confirms 3v.
http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48546
 
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komondor said:
That chart can't possibly be correct. 154CM and 440C are much tougher than that when properly heat treated.
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i dont know about 440c, but 154cm definetly not. you might be thinking of CPM154...there is a difference
and as far as heat treat is concerned.... there are alot of steels that can perform better with the proper heat treat, but for production knives alot them dont get the optimal ht.
 
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Popsickle said:
negative..... mr schempp and sal have BOTH recently confirmed the use of 3v and NOT s30v on the TUFF, i dont know where you got your information but it is wrong.
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I got it in this forum based on the G10/titanium prototype. Wasn't the first or even ninety-fifth time I was wrong yesterday and I'm glad of that. Now if I could only be wrong about the RIL, too, that'd be sweet.

Thanks for the clarifying link, too. :thumbup:
 
Just to clear the misinformation. Mr. Schempp's response from this thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/831154-A-couple-of-tough-Tuff-questions-for-Sal...



Ed Schempp said:
The steel will be 3V.

The fuller stiffens and lightens the blade, not stronger just more rigid. The fuller is also handy for using, manipulating, and opening the blade.

This is the first factory prototype. There are several major changes that will be made. This knife isn't at the photo stage and got reviewed by mistake. This is my attempt to bring an extremely hard use design to market, and it is not quite ready.

Sorry about not having even a clue about how long it will take to get it right.

The Tuff contractor makes a very good highly precise knife, it will be worth the wait to get it right. I made the prototype 7 years ago, I'd like to see the knife come to market, but not until it is right and lives up to it's name...Take Care...Ed
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Are there any posts explaining why a frame lock was used? I know the integral comp lock is a tough one to pull off, but the regular comp lock, the bbl, and the backlock all rate in the very heavy duty class in Spyderco's testing. Sal himself stated that a frame lock doesn't reach the same level and can't exceed a proper liner lock - like on the Military, which is a level below in the heavy duty class. Strange that they bypassed their strongest locks considering the theme of the knife. Of course the frame lock is heavy duty enough for folding knife tasks, but this is the Tuff, not the Tuff Enuff :D
 
hardheart said:
Are there any posts explaining why a frame lock was used? I know the integral comp lock is a tough one to pull off, but the regular comp lock, the bbl, and the backlock all rate in the very heavy duty class in Spyderco's testing. Sal himself stated that a frame lock doesn't reach the same level and can't exceed a proper liner lock - like on the Military, which is a level below in the heavy duty class. Strange that they bypassed their strongest locks considering the theme of the knife. Of course the frame lock is heavy duty enough for folding knife tasks, but this is the Tuff, not the Tuff Enuff :D
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i would love to see some sort of explanation as to why a different lock wasnt used..... i for one dont want a knife that is labeled as such and cant produce as a whole what its name implies. Great there is TOUGH blade steel, but that means jack when the handle doesnt live up to its name. maybe Sal or Ed could chime into this thread and give us a response.
 
but at the same time... look at the strider, sebenza, hinderer xm series. ALL framelock and all meant to take abuse, so i think the tuff will be just fine :)
 
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