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Perhaps it's because the compression lock is not well known outside of Spyderco's existing customer base while the RIL is one of the best known locks out there.
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Spyderco Tuff Release date?
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but at the same time... look at the strider, sebenza, hinderer xm series. ALL framelock and all meant to take abuse, so i think the tuff will be just fine
well put. I'm sure sal and mick strider, as well as hiderer might know a thing or two about the most rugged lock that they want to put thier names behind
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but at the same time... look at the strider, sebenza, hinderer xm series. ALL framelock and all meant to take abuse, so i think the tuff will be just fine
+1 to this. Also if we get into the Crusader Forge knives, the HEST folder, ZT 300 series, Lionsteel SR1, just to name a few others. All beefy harduse folders. The framelock works and is simple efficiant and easy to maintain. If it had been a Comp lock It would have problably prevented me from buying this knife. The RIL makes me want this knife instead
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If there was more metal, it would be stronger. Making a bigger hole, using thinner stock, reducing width, etc. - none of that increases strength, neither does enlarging a fuller.
The integral comp lock has as many pieces as a RIL, so there is no difference in efficiency. In fact, it is a stronger lock for the same amount of parts.
The integral comp lock has as many pieces as a RIL, so there is no difference in efficiency. In fact, it is a stronger lock for the same amount of parts.
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maybe....maybe not.... but regardless of what everyone is saying im sure there is a reason why the integral comp lock wasnt used.
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There is no "maybe not"...it just plain is stronger.
The breaking machine has proven it beyond all doubt.
The only good reason to go with the frame-lock (RIL) is to be found in this very thread...some people will buy the knife with the frame-lock who wouldn't if it were made with a compression lock.
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I REALLY like titanium frame-locks, but the coolness and strength of an integral titanium compression lock would have been awesome.
Ah well, I'll probably buy one when they come out.
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simple question then..... why is it not on more knives? im very curious about it now to be honest
There is no "maybe not"...it just plain is stronger.
The breaking machine has proven it beyond all doubt.
The only good reason to go with the frame-lock (RIL) is to be found in this very thread...some people will buy the knife with the frame-lock who wouldn't if it were made with a compression lock.
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I REALLY like titanium frame-locks, but the coolness and strength of an integral titanium compression lock would have been awesome.
Ah well, I'll probably buy one when they come out.
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Well, it would only be on Spyderco knives, as it's their proprietary design.
As to why not on more Spyderco knives, partly it may be due to them producing knives with quite a variety of locks.
They now do compression, frame, liner, back-lock and ball bearing, as well as their non-locking line-up. So it might be due in part to that.
OR, it might have to do with some of the issues which come up in these threads, as in people finding that they do not like the way it disengages, or feeling that it might create a "hot-spot" during use (I haven't found that to be the case myself, but it might for others depending on how they hold it).
Also, some people just think it looks ugly, and therefore don't want to buy a knife with it (a valid point of view as well).
As far as I know, the new Yojimbo 2 will have it, so that will add one more to the line-up.
If they didn't discontinue knives so very often, we'd also have the ATR (with the integral compression lock), the Lil Temp, the Toad (I think), and the Superhawk, as well as the old Yojimbo.
I really like it, but some people sure don't; even my dad, who usually has very similar taste in knives, didn't like the regular compression lock, although he DID like the integral compression lock on the ATR I had! Just goes to show how difficult it is to get designs out there that'll please the market enough to keep them in production.
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I think it's because it seems to be a proprietary Spyderco lock and they have not made a decision to market their knives as "no. 1 hard use knives" or "strongest locks in the market". As we all know, perception is everything in marketing and so far, with no really heavy duty knives with the comp lock, there is not perception that this a actually a very strong lock. It actually takes some convincing that a comp lock is basically stronger than a liner lock, assuming the same dimensions.
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And I mine. Until that Yojimbo 2 comes out and displaces it.
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You can flip a blade open or closed with an integral Compression Lock, too. It's a very smooth lock.
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