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Spyderco's First Traditional Knife
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stabman
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I'll say it's traditional.
But I'm not surprised by the comments by the usual traditionalist humbugs:
But I'm not surprised by the comments by the usual traditionalist humbugs:
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Yep, there's been a bit of humbuggery goin' on in this thread.
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Yep, there's been a bit of humbuggery goin' on in this thread.
There always is once attempts at "knife categorization" commence.
Yep. Think I will order one just because of the "fat tick" on it. And to upset the stuck up traditionalists.I'll say it's traditional.
But I'm not surprised by the comments by the usual traditionalist humbugs:
Just wish us knife junkies could enjoy a new knife release without internal judgement. Ohh well...not like I go into the "Traditional Forum" to pass judgement. Too bad some of their prolific posters can't extend the same courtesy.
It looks like a standard sheepsfoot blade with some finessing. I'm sure the religiously dogmatic traditionalist would hate it no matter what (since it's made by Spyderco) but I've carried traditional knives for about 60 years and it looks more traditional than modern to me. Of course, I've been in love with Spydercos for almost 24 years.
If it had a nail nick in place of the hole near the tip and it had "GEC" engraved on it somewhere, it would be considered traditional and traditionalists on this forum would swoon over it.
If it had a nail nick in place of the hole near the tip and it had "GEC" engraved on it somewhere, it would be considered traditional and traditionalists on this forum would swoon over it.
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Don't you even think about that, lest you find yourself tossed under the bus in the middle of a Maine sub-zero snow storm...it will be your last post.
I actually had that same exact thought...must be a generational thing, seeing as I am 66.
Don't you even think about that, lest you find yourself tossed under the bus in the middle of a Maine sub-zero snow storm...it will be your last post.
Lol.... would never do that.
But I am sorry that some of them can't get over Spyderco releasing the "Worker" back in '81.
My thoughts are more along the lines of "If you're gonna make a 'traditional' knife to carry on airplanes, why not just make an otherwise-traditional 2" sheepsfoot with a nominal hole and call it quits?" I happen to like both Spydercos and traditionals, and to me this possesses none of the charm of either.
It's a solution for a non-existent problem: Blunt nosed knives which take two hands to open and have less than 2" blades have been around for generations, if not centuries.
It's a solution for a non-existent problem: Blunt nosed knives which take two hands to open and have less than 2" blades have been around for generations, if not centuries.
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Again, the original purpose has NOTHING to do with wanting to make it a Traditional. It was made to conform to TSA guidelines...
I can even give you the very thread where the Roadie and the idea was conceived:
https://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58962&hilit=tsa
Forum members discussed TSA's change of stance regarding knives (at the time) and requested to Sal for a Spyderco that will conform. If you read the thread, they weren't sitting there discussing "hmmm let's make a non traditional - Traditional" to confuse and piss some people off. TSA pamphlets were posted, what is allowed and what may be perceived by a TSA agent to not be allowed was discussed. In the end, The Roadie is what Sal came up with. Maybe to YOU it wasn't "problem" but there was a potential market there and Spyderco didn't have a "Blunt nosed knives which take two hands to open and have less than 2" blade" that was passable enough for the TSA. And why make it unique? Why not make it just like every other "2 inch snub nose Traditional?" Well, that's Spyderco for you. As someone who likes them, you should know that's been there M.O.
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AH!!
I admit I also thought it was a second hole, but on closer inspection after your post it is indeed not a hole! But more like a round nail nick.
Know what, I actually like it. Looks different and I really like the idea of the nail nick being round.
I'll buy one.. aslong as it's not silly priced. And I'd much rather they did away with the spydie hole. It's pointless, just like the one on their bushcraft knife. Pointless I tells the, POINTLESS!! eeeeeek.
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^Hehe, it seems like they are insisting on putting their trademark hole on ALL knives moving forward as a way to "protect" it. My guess is, it's an argument they can make in court: All our knives are distinguished by the hole placed where it is.
It's ironic, but the "double dent" actually preceded the Spyderhole. It was trademarked or patented way back when. They actually get to use it for this one...
It's ironic, but the "double dent" actually preceded the Spyderhole. It was trademarked or patented way back when. They actually get to use it for this one...
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You keep repeating something about this folder that most of us already know. This thread is not about what was in the minds of Sal and his crew when the knife was conceived...this thread is about how many of the attributes ascribed to traditional knives this knife possesses. In a nutshell, the Roadie is a non-locking knife (a slip joint), does not have a clip (a no no for a traditional), deployment is not flipper assisted or gravity assisted, and does not have a thumb stud...period. Please stay on point on this because the discussion here is not about the TSA, or what Sal's intentions were when he designed this knife, or about who would buy this knife, or whether or not FRN is an acceptable material for a handle on a traditional knife, or if being butt ugly disqualifies a knife from being a traditional, or that Sal never said it was a traditional or that it was marketed as a traditional... this thread is about how much this knife shares with traditional knives. I think we already get your point about the TSA and Sal's intention...most of us got it from one of your four previous posts that repeat what Sal's intentions were.
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Yeah, I know you got a whole nother thing going and it is your thread. I'll back off.
BTW, there are a number of Spydercos in their catalog that has several of those "Traditional attributes".... What happens if we all suddenly agree that it's a Traditional Spyderco? Do we all get a cookie?
Regarding my post you just quoted though, I had to address what he said: "If you're gonna make a 'traditional' knife to carry on airplanes, why not just make an otherwise-traditional 2" sheepsfoot with a nominal hole and call it quits?" and this: "It's a solution for a non-existent problem". Yes I've repeated myself enough. Thanks for your time and good luck with the HUMBUGS. I hope I never become that way.
Yeah, I know you got a whole nother thing going and it is your thread. I'll back off.
BTW, there are a number of Spydercos in their catalog that has several of those "Traditional attributes".... What happens if we all suddenly agree that it's a Traditional Spyderco? Do we all get a cookie?
Regarding my post you just quoted though, I had to address what he said: "If you're gonna make a 'traditional' knife to carry on airplanes, why not just make an otherwise-traditional 2" sheepsfoot with a nominal hole and call it quits?" and this: "It's a solution for a non-existent problem". Yes I've repeated myself enough. Thanks for your time and good luck with the HUMBUGS. I hope I never become that way.
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Yes.
But only cookies made with traditional recipes...no new-fangled M&M travesties.
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I love Spyderco knives and have used them for 25 years. I carry a Military daily, a Harpy while at work, and used to carry a Police model until I broke the tip off. I will say this though: they have made some of the ugliest knives I've ever seen and that is one of them.
tra·di·tion·al
/trəˈdiSH(ən(əl/
adjective
adjective: traditional
existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established.
"the traditional festivities of the church year"
synonyms: long-established, customary, time-honored, established, classic, accustomed, standard, regular, normal, conventional, usual, orthodox, habitual, set, fixed, routine, ritual; More
old, age-old, ancestral
"traditional Christmas fare"
•handed-down, folk, unwritten, oral
"traditional beliefs"
•produced, done, or used in accordance with tradition.
"a traditional fish soup"
•habitually done, used, or found.
"the traditional drinks in the clubhouse"
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I don't think you will find a definition of a traditional "knife" anywhere but in the forum of that name here on BladeForums. Maybe the traditional knife of a culture which would then be a specific knife.
So you're kinda stuck with the criteria fairly well defined in that forum. I'm not sure about the handle material but the screw pivot would take it down anyway. I don't agree with all the requirements to be a traditional there since I like some of the slightly more modern traditionals. But hey, you have to set some kind of structure and I love the forum. I guess I am an evil Traditionalist.
As to that knife, I like it fairly well, but it just has a couple things which kind of grate. The nicer steel and the adjustable pivot are nice.
/trəˈdiSH(ə
n(əl/adjective
adjective: traditional
existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established.
"the traditional festivities of the church year"
synonyms: long-established, customary, time-honored, established, classic, accustomed, standard, regular, normal, conventional, usual, orthodox, habitual, set, fixed, routine, ritual; More
old, age-old, ancestral
"traditional Christmas fare"
•handed-down, folk, unwritten, oral
"traditional beliefs"
•produced, done, or used in accordance with tradition.
"a traditional fish soup"
•habitually done, used, or found.
"the traditional drinks in the clubhouse"
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I don't think you will find a definition of a traditional "knife" anywhere but in the forum of that name here on BladeForums. Maybe the traditional knife of a culture which would then be a specific knife.
So you're kinda stuck with the criteria fairly well defined in that forum. I'm not sure about the handle material but the screw pivot would take it down anyway. I don't agree with all the requirements to be a traditional there since I like some of the slightly more modern traditionals. But hey, you have to set some kind of structure and I love the forum. I guess I am an evil Traditionalist.
As to that knife, I like it fairly well, but it just has a couple things which kind of grate. The nicer steel and the adjustable pivot are nice.
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Ah, but I remember some traditionals with screw pivots getting the traditional nod.
They just won't accept a Spyderco as traditional in that sub-forum...just the way it goes.
I was pretty much shunned from a karambit sub-forum elsewhere due to not thinking that they cut better than any other knife ever (they don't).
Likewise, I'm pretty sure that the traditional forum regulars pray for my Northwoods Burnside Jack to run away from me as well...I don't feel the love over there, to say the least.
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Ah, but I remember some traditionals with screw pivots getting the traditional nod.
They just won't accept a Spyderco as traditional in that sub-forum...just the way it goes.
I was pretty much shunned from a karambit sub-forum elsewhere due to not thinking that they cut better than any other knife ever (they don't).
Likewise, I'm pretty sure that the traditional forum regulars pray for my Northwoods Burnside Jack to run away from me as well...I don't feel the love over there, to say the least.
Many custom makers of traditional knives use screw construction. The topic was discussed, in the past, on the sub-forum. Don hanson said he does it in case the fancy natural handle materials (e.g. Mammoth) need replacement.
While the two folks who decide on the other forum decide what they think is traditional, this thread somehow made the cut...this paid forum knife maker was allowed to keep his knives in Traditional for reader feedback.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1119268
The knife pictured smacks traditional in every way except for the pivot screw. From my perspective, the pivot screw should be considered a natural evolution in knife making, much in the same way sophisticated stainless steels and newer synthetic handle materials have evolved and been accepted by "traditionalists".