Spyderhole - less efficient way to open a knife?

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You know, if a seabird gets it head stuck in a Spyderhole, it can kill him.

So that's a downside.

But the hole improves the aerodynamics of the opened blade while waving it side to side, so that's an upside.
 
Gaston444 said:
Unless we are talking a very stiff lock back, there is always enough thumb strength to deploy a blade, regardless of leverage. With most liner locks leverage is not an issue at all: What is an issue is the aggressiveness of purchase: Properly made thumb studs offer an earlier, more aggressive purchase for a shorter arc, which is also related to why they interfere a little more with blade use, and also are more prone to partial self-opening...

If you are looking at a hurried deployment from a Spyderco, while not looking, and if you do not center your thumb correctly to the hole, you will get a partial opening, and then your thumb slips off before completing the inherently more prolonged arc: This is less common if you look at your hand, but doing it blind can easily have the thumb off-centered, and it then nearly always slips off before a full opening (at least on the large Civilian or Police 4" plus Models).

Practice of course improves this, but it is an inherent downside: It seems to me this was a little less noticeable on the Cold Steel Pro Lite oval hole, but I couldn't swear to it.

In a hurry and without looking, the hole is inherently a more error-prone opening, but the gain is a sleeker blade with no interference to deep cutting: It is a more than fair trade, and I am not saying it is in any way a bad choice, just that the downsides of thumb studs also have undeniable upsides...

The downside to thumb studs is precisely their purchase aggressiveness, which combines poorly with liner locks and might cause a partial in-pocket opening: A thumb stud with lock back is safer but they are not that common, and a stiff one could feel hard to open as you point out, due to a lack of leverage.

It is all a matter of degree.

Unless what you are saying is that the hole is always superior to thumb studs across the entire range of qualities?

Gaston
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I think it would be much better when making a post like this if the phrase "In my opinion" were at the top. Sorry to hear of such troubles with a simple hole.
 
craytab said:
I think it would be much better when making a post like this if the phrase "In my opinion" were at the top. Sorry to hear of such troubles with a simple hole.
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Its an incredibly complicated procedure, finding that Spyderhole without looking. Of course, I'm not sure how finding a smaller thumbstud without looking is easier, but facts is facts. Its all right there in the post.
 
Gaston444 said:
Unless we are talking a very stiff lock back, there is always enough thumb strength to deploy a blade, regardless of leverage. With most liner locks leverage is not an issue at all: What is an issue is the aggressiveness of purchase: Properly made thumb studs offer an earlier, more aggressive purchase for a shorter arc, which is also related to why they interfere a little more with blade use, and also are more prone to partial self-opening...

If you are looking at a hurried deployment from a Spyderco, while not looking, and if you do not center your thumb correctly to the hole, you will get a partial opening, and then your thumb slips off before completing the inherently more prolonged arc: This is less common if you look at your hand, but doing it blind can easily have the thumb off-centered, and it then nearly always slips off before a full opening (at least on the large Civilian or Police 4" plus Models).

Practice of course improves this, but it is an inherent downside: It seems to me this was a little less noticeable on the Cold Steel Pro Lite oval hole, but I couldn't swear to it.

In a hurry and without looking, the hole is inherently a more error-prone opening, but the gain is a sleeker blade with no interference to deep cutting: It is a more than fair trade, and I am not saying it is in any way a bad choice, just that the downsides of thumb studs also have undeniable upsides...

The downside to thumb studs is precisely their purchase aggressiveness, which combines poorly with liner locks and might cause a partial in-pocket opening: A thumb stud with lock back is safer but they are not that common, and a stiff one could feel hard to open as you point out, due to a lack of leverage.

It is all a matter of degree.

Unless what you are saying is that the hole is always superior to thumb studs across the entire range of qualities?

Gaston
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Lol, "error prone".
 
marcinek said:
Its an incredibly complicated procedure, finding that Spyderhole without looking. Of course, I'm not sure how finding a smaller thumbstud without looking is easier, but facts is facts. Its all right there in the post.
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Right, who am I to believe my own experience over those stated facts. I thought I was able to find the spyderhole quite well without looking. Turns out not.
 
Where else can you find so many deep thinkers willing and eager to expound on the mundane minutia of moving a knife blade from point A to point B ? :rolleyes: :yawn:
Voluminous and vacuous verity on display, for all to see. ;)
 
I can Ziptie wave my hole.

Man, I've never seen so many "facts" on how a hole is "inefficient". I can tell you from personal experience, and in my opinion, the spyderhole works well with gloves and without. Use it, don't use it, I'll still use them.
 
KELAMA said:
^ This thread has a lot of people here feeling, vexed out.

THIRTEEN pages of wasted space on this forum, over a Spydie hole...YGTBFKM!!!

Thanks to this hole thread, I had the same reoccurring dream last night. I was lost out in the wilderness...I came to a dead end in this box canyon...& there was only one way out...
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^ I had another nightmare last night...

Holes....lot's of freaking holes...& trapped in that damn box canyon again, with only one way out...
 
KELAMA said:
^ I agree with every single thing that you've posted here, X12...whatever makes YOU happy, living in your own special fantasy World.v

http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips/7bn79n/cewebrity-profile---x12---uncensored

BTW- don't forget to drink your muscle milk- it helps when deploying the spyderholes. :thumbup:
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No one needs to agree with anyone. I just don't understand why some of you get so upset about talking about holes that you violate the spirit and rules of the forum to mock other members - and not just me.

This isn't Whine and Cheese. You're supposed to act your age, here.
 
Yeah I choose a Spyderco hole for my own personal carry, but I can't say that a stud has any advantage over it... We are obviously dealing with terrific objectivity here...

It reminds me once when I was in an online argument with Chuck Yeager himself, and while pointing out something else, I mentioned that the P-51's guns had two to tree times the jamming rate of the P-47's identical guns (those obviously with a way better mounting/feeding), this "mean round between failures" (mrbf) ratio staying the same month by month all the way to 1945, and the late D variants (the P-51 improved, but so did the P-47, so the ratio remained roughly the same).

Well the great man started to get all snide and dismissive about this, as if this diminished his record or something... And he dismissed the source I quoted as "non-pilot"... But then I pointed out my source was itself quoting 8th Air Force statistics...

When you're dealing with closed minds, there's just no point discussing anything... To some people Spyderco or P-51=great, and you just can't discuss anything beyond that...

Gaston
 
RX-79G said:
No one needs to agree with anyone. I just don't understand why some of you get so upset about talking about holes that you violate the spirit and rules of the forum to mock other members - and not just me.

This isn't Whine and Cheese. You're supposed to act your age, here.
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^ Personally X12, I think that you've done a brilliant job, mocking the member's here (for 12 redundant pages & counting), whom don't subscribe to your own, Spyderco's hole opening philosophy.

It helps, having an open minded thought process...instead of a myopic viewpoint. Please do me one favor: try deploying that blade using the Spydie hole one more time, only this time, with a positive attitude! :thumbup:

And FWIW- I am acting my age. :D This is YOUR thread, you can close it up any time YOU please! :thumbup:
 
KELAMA said:
^ Personally X12, I think that you've done a brilliant job, mocking the member's here (for 12 redundant pages & counting), whom don't subscribe to your own, Spyderco's hole opening philosophy.

It helps, having an open minded thought process...instead of a myopic viewpoint. Please do me one favor: try deploying that blade using the Spydie hole one more time, only this time, with a positive attitude! :thumbup:

And FWIW- I am acting my age. :D This is YOUR thread, you can close it up any time YOU please! :thumbup:
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Please quote where I have mocked member's here whom "don't subscribe to your own, Spyderco's hole opening philosophy."
 
22-rimfire said:
What about Joint Juice? Does that help?
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^ Yes- joint juice, will definitely help; although I would strongly advise, that you do NOT ingest joint juice with these other foods:

1. Tuna Fish
2. Chili
3. Corned Beef hash
4. Okra

Less serious side effects may include:

•drowsiness, dizziness, tired feeling;
•mild nausea, stomach pain, upset stomach, constipation;
•dry mouth;
•changes in appetite or weight;
•sleep problems (insomnia); or.
•gas

More serious side effects:

• Severe cramps in the thumb & finger joint region of your hands.


Gaston444 said:
We are obviously dealing with terrific objectivity here...

When you're dealing with closed minds, there's just no point discussing anything... Gaston
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^ Key words- I couldn't agree more with.
 
Gaston444 said:
Yeah I choose a Spyderco hole for my own personal carry, but I can't say that a stud has any advantage over it... We are obviously dealing with terrific objectivity here...

It reminds me once when I was in an online argument with Chuck Yeager himself, and while pointing out something else, I mentioned that the P-51's guns had two to tree times the jamming rate of the P-47's identical guns ... But then I pointed out my source was itself quoting 8th Air Force statistics...

When you're dealing with closed minds, there's just no point discussing anything... To some people Spyderco or P-51=great, and you just can't discuss anything beyond that...

Gaston
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Well how dare Chuck Yeager try to tell you, of all people, anything about military aviation?!? Especially when you have one of those impeccably reliable and trustworthy government reports backing you up!

Sounds like the argument I had with the Montgolfier brothers, Wernher von Braun, and Laika the Soviet space dog about aerodynamics over a friendly game of Hungry Hungry Hippos! Talk about the closed minds on those four!
 
deskil said:
Where else can you find so many deep thinkers willing and eager to expound on the mundane minutia of moving a knife blade from point A to point B ? :rolleyes: :yawn:
Voluminous and vacuous verity on display, for all to see. ;)
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And on this erudite note, I believe we might ...
 
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