Spyderhole - less efficient way to open a knife?

[KELAMA]

Why is this thread even still going???

^ I haven't a clue!

Oh yeah. But I'm not playing this game. Your mind is made up.

^ I think that you nailed it! :thumbup:

You're feisty.

^ Roid Rage Feisty!

The hole is great, by using the thumb or any other digits. One of my favorites. Gary

^ Depending on which knife I'm playing with, I sometimes I use two fingers.

Hole is better.
I'm calling that a fact, and stating that everyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

So there.

^ :thumbup:

 

[craytab]

Hole is better.
I'm calling that a fact, and stating that everyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

So there.

Unless you surveyed all the posters who haven't posted and only taken into account non-members who are thinking about membership then your facts are opinion based facts

 

[Czechmate]

Try this with thumb studs...

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[palonej]

I can actually open that one easier than the D'fly. Shouldn't be that way I don't think, and it vexes me ever so mildly.

I hate it when I'm vexed! Very annoying!
OP seems to be trying to vex all of us!
Joe

 

[KELAMA]

I hate it when I'm vexed! Very annoying!
OP seems to be trying to vex all of us!
Joe

^ This thread has a lot of people here feeling, vexed out!

I just finished reading the first 8 pages of this thread. Really, 11 pages of wasted space on this forum, over a Spydie hole...YGTBFKM!!!

Thanks to this hole thread, I had the same reoccurring dream last night. I was lost out in the wilderness...I came to a dead end in this box canyon...& there was only one way out...

 

[Fanglekai]

I can actually open that one easier than the D'fly. Shouldn't be that way I don't think, and it vexes me ever so mildly.

Probably because of the stronger spring in the dragonfly.

 

[marcinek]

I just finished reading the first 8 pages of this thread. Really, 11 pages of wasted space on this forum, over a Spydie hole...YGTBFKM!!!

Wow...that's rude. Sorry if other peoples' opinions about knives is a waste of your time. :thumbdn:

And nice "family-friendly" pic. :thumbdn:

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

I've owned 3 Spydercos for many years, and found them all tedious to open. I've seen the videos of all the funny ways to open one, but two of mine have so much drag that they won't flick, so the stainless handled Endura was my default favorite because I drew it by the hole and shook the handle open.

On the other two, you just open the knife the old fashioned way - put your thumb on the hole and push it in a long arc. Thumbstuds, even when they have a fair amount of opening drag, just seem easier because your thumb ends up traveling . Tonight I measured a few knives, and it was dramatically obvious that your thumb must travel a larger arc and further distance from the blade pivot on most Spydercos than most thumbstuds. About 1/2" in arc diameter.


Spyderco is a fine company that makes excellent products, so this is not an anti-Spyderco thread. And several other companies use some variation on the thumbhole, which almost always requires a larger thumb arc to open. Yet, this never seems to be a topic of conversation.

Does anybody else find thumbholes long, slow and requiring more dexterity? Or do liner lock versions flick so well that most Spydie users never have to trace the full arc?

In my opinion, it has everything to do with the model.

I have a Manix 2 XL that can be opened with such ease that it's ridiculous. One of the smoothest knives I own.

Same can be said of the PM2s and K2s I've owned.

I've had less that stellar experiences with Strider's hole and the two Militarys I've owned in the past. Not a big deal on the Striders as the thumb studs worked perfectly but I didn't have that option with the Military.

My wife has small fingers and she HATES anything with a hole as the deployment method as her fingers inhibit her ability to open the knife efficiently. I have larger hands/fingers and don't really seem to have much of an issue.

 

[shinyedges]

Man that looks exactly like.. oh.. OH... LOL Butt seriously no one forced you to read it. You think after a few pages you would stop after realizing you didn't like it and had nothing to gain... but nope it took 11 pages for you to figure out you wasted your time?

^ This thread has a lot of people here feeling, vexed out!

I just finished reading the first 8 pages of this thread. Really, 11 pages of wasted space on this forum, over a Spydie hole...YGTBFKM!!!

Thanks to this hole thread, I had the same reoccurring dream last night. I was lost out in the wilderness...I came to a dead end in this dark cavernous looking box canyon...& there was only one way out...

 

[stabman]

Unless you surveyed all the posters who haven't posted and only taken into account non-members who are thinking about membership then your facts are opinion based facts

I did a psychic survey.
It was very comprehensive.

 

[sparky2016]

If you mean I measured a bunch of knives and I believe the ruler, yes I guess my mind is made up that I can accurately measure something.

But you don't seem to be able to put it into perspective. If you've read the posts, you should be able to see that for the tasks many of us use knives for, efficiency counts for nothing. Predictability, reliability, safety, comfort, carryability etc. are all much more important.

Either acknowledge what has been said, or let this die. Repeating that efficiency thing? You made the point. You're right about that narrow measure. But wrong to think it matters so much to everyone.

 

[22-rimfire]

I think the OP just likes to be argumentative. Even he says it's personal preference as I recall. Hole, no hole.... no big deal.

Sparky, pretty much the way I see efficiency in terms of knives in my life.... matters very little. I am more concerned about how it cuts, feels in my hand and in my pocket, and I guess how well I can personally sharpen the steel.

 

[manowar669]

The spydie hole is the most positive one handed opening method of any folding knife. It works by feel - in the dark, in the water or wherever. In its early days it was embraced by the climbing fraternity for that very reason.

I own flippers and stud openers and most other variations and while they are interesting and fun they all require deliberate positioning of the grip and careful manipulation.

The spydie just works, under all sorts of conditions. The ability to flick it open is more a function of the locking mechanism than the spydie hole.

This is the answer.

 

[RX-79G]

But you don't seem to be able to put it into perspective. If you've read the posts, you should be able to see that for the tasks many of us use knives for, efficiency counts for nothing. Predictability, reliability, safety, comfort, carryability etc. are all much more important.

Either acknowledge what has been said, or let this die. Repeating that efficiency thing? You made the point. You're right about that narrow measure. But wrong to think it matters so much to everyone.

I don't really know what you've been reading. My premise was that for me, the holes don't work as well because they exceed the comfortable motion of my thumb, and asked who else feels that way.

I apologize if my use of the word "inefficient" caused some people to assume that this was about speed so some other factor, but I don't think my opening post left that much to doubt about what was being discussed. Most posters on this thread have not been arguing about much of anything with me or anyone else. There have been a physics discussions, but the only "arguing" other than that is when I have to say "No, I'm not talking about speed. No, not talking about defense," etc.

I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to "let go", except the posts that suggest that I'm trying to screw with people. I'm not.



So, one more time - the knives with holes are harder for me to use. They require more technique/concentration/dexterity/control for me (and some other people who already spoke for themselves), and that seems to be because they generally require a larger motion. And I was curious who else felt that way.

The fact that many people prefer holes and like the way it grabs their thumb is terrific - for them. Their experience, unfortunately, isn't helping my thumb at all. So let me apologize if my thumb is being "argumentative". It is really the only part of me that is arguing for or against holes, since I have not once tried to dissuade anyone who likes holes from their opinion.

 

[KingMC]

Your title for the thread makes it easy for someone to assume that you're wanting your opinion to be disproved. The fact that people are jumping in and trying to disprove the title is because it reads as more than an opinion. You're assumption that people are attacking you are unfounded.

A better title would've been "Am I the only one who things the Spyderhole is inefficient?

 

[RX-79G]

Your title for the thread makes it easy for someone to assume that you're wanting your opinion to be disproved. The fact that people are jumping in and trying to disprove the title is because it reads as more than an opinion. You're assumption that people are attacking you are unfounded.

A better title would've been "Am I the only one who things the Spyderhole is inefficient?

I haven't assumed that anyone is "attacking me".

And I don't think I am being argumentative when I tell people what they didn't bother reading in the OP. It's just a title - you have to work a little harder than that. Especially when you read "efficient" and change it to "fast". Those two words have nothing to do with each other.

 

[22-rimfire]

My BS meter is starting to peg upward.

 

[SpeedHoles]

I haven't assumed that anyone is "attacking me".

And I don't think I am being argumentative when I tell people what they didn't bother reading in the OP. It's just a title - you have to work a little harder than that. Especially when you read "efficient" and change it to "fast". Those two words have nothing to do with each other.

Maybe you yourself should try reading your original post.
You called it "slow", so of course others will disagree with that and start referring to speed and "fast".
If you didn't want to discuss speed, next time leave that out of your own discussion.

And I also find it interesting that you are hung up on efficiency and amount of hand movement (that varies so little), when you are the one talking about trying to open a knife by shaking it... no wonder you're seeing things as "inefficient". You must have to change your hand positioning several times just to get the blade out of your pocket and oriented properly.
The Endura is not a difficult knife to operate with your thumb.

I've owned 3 Spydercos for many years, and found them all tedious to open. I've seen the videos of all the funny ways to open one, but two of mine have so much drag that they won't flick, so the stainless handled Endura was my default favorite because I drew it by the hole and shook the handle open.

Does anybody else find thumbholes long, slow and requiring more dexterity? Or do liner lock versions flick so well that most Spydie users never have to trace the full arc?

 

[craytab]

So, one more time - the knives with holes are harder for me to use. They require more technique/concentration/dexterity/control for me

Sucks for you but most people who responded disagree along with all the people who Spyderco some how seems to sell knives to in order to manage to keep the company afloat. Personal preference. Done and done! No need for another 200+ posts of arguments. Do I get a scooby snack?

 

[RX-79G]

Sucks for you but most people who responded disagree along with all the people who Spyderco some how seems to sell knives to in order to manage to keep the company afloat. Personal preference. Done and done! No need for another 200+ posts of arguments. Do I get a scooby snack?

No one disagreed that it is more difficult for me and other people.