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Right, but we also know that pigeons and Europeans actually exist.
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Right, but we also know that pigeons and Europeans actually exist.
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There are over 4 million miles of roadway in the US alone. My philosophy is, "if it hasn’t been hit by a car, it doesn’t exist".
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Passenger pigeons are extinct but as a kid I was surprised how many museums had stuffed examples on display. Haven't seen too many big feet.
You would think before European settlement they would have been more common and that some early explorer would have shot a few for the museums.
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It too bad the "monster" is a little shy.
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Finally, proof at last ! :applause: There you go non believers !
I haven't read what went on in this thread after I last posted, since we've been battling intransigent medical issues around here...
I initially liked the skeptical La Brea tar pits theory, which goes more or less, "if we don't find them[bigfoot] in it, then they don't exist in the state." After all, examples of nearly all the animals found in this region throughout history, are found in the pit.
Except people. They only found one Indian gal, and the archeologists claim she is only there because she was ceremonially "interred" there 10,000 years ago, along with a dog. Musn't go on long trips without the dog! I don't blame her. Id have requested a hunting dog, too.
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits
It looks like intelligent local bipeds simply don't get trapped in the tar pits in appreciable quantities, as only one ancient human body has been found, so far. The Indians did access this local natural resource, as a means of waterproofing their baskets, among other uses, so its not like they never accessed them. They just had enough brains to either stay out, or call for help from their fellows, if things got out of hand, rather than stupidly drown in the muck.
Which is how and why our fellow biped (Bigfoot) is not represented among the tarpits victims; he either has the sense to stay out, or called on his fellows for help in being pulled out, just as a local Indian could have done.
That said,
OK, so here's at least one possible technical, although abbreviated, explanation for the "bad feeling" mentioned earlier in this thread:
Infrasound is an interesting range of sound frequency, which is pretty much defined as evathing below 20Hz.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
Now, a lot of animals communicate with each other, using infrasound: whales, elephants, hippos, gators, giraffes, okapis, tigers, rhinos, [and who knows what else]. Elephants use their secret infrasound technology for comms, giving them a range of about 10klicks. Whales communicate for hundreds of miles in the dense medium they inhabit.
I consider this proof that infrasound is a legitimate, possible method for at least some big creatures to utilize for their comms. Elephants use it possibly for mating( heh heh!), herd direction, and scaring enemies(?!)...
Interestingly, some migrating birds may be using the infrasonic sound waves which result from wind flowing over mountain ranges, in order to navigate-- so maybe animals do NOT have to be large to perceive infrasound, only emit it.
By its very nature, infrasound is a neat way to communicate, since it travels long distances, with low dissipation. If an animal were able to make use of this comm method, it could provide approximately the range and covert utility of a primitive Walkie Talkie! Not bad.
It seems that one of the main requirements is that the animal who wants to emit in this freq, be large. All the animals on the accepted list are on the large side of the scale. Does bigfoot meet this requirement? Apparently so, judging by typical witness accounts.
So, what are the biological effects on humans resulting from exposure to infrasound?
From the above mentioned wikipedia entry:
"One study has suggested that infrasound may cause feelings of awe or fear in humans. It was also suggested that since it is not consciously perceived, it can make people feel vaguely that supernatural events are taking place."
"The infrasound and low-frequency noise produced by some wind turbines is believed by some to cause "wind-turbine syndrome" (headaches, dizziness, nausea) in humans and other animals close to the turbines." So here we see that even common machines can emit it, with the above mentioned weird perception results.
This next section is so interesting, heres the whole paragraph:
"Infrasonic 17 Hz tone experiment
On May 31, 2003, a team of UK researchers held a mass experiment where they exposed some 700 people to music laced with soft 17 Hz sine waves played at a level described as "near the edge of hearing", produced by an extra-long-stroke subwoofer mounted two-thirds of the way from the end of a seven-meter-long plastic sewer pipe. The experimental concert (entitled Infrasonic) took place in the Purcell Room over the course of two performances, each consisting of four musical pieces. Two of the pieces in each concert had 17 Hz tones played underneath. In the second concert, the pieces that were to carry a 17 Hz undertone were swapped so that test results would not focus on any specific musical piece. The participants were not told which pieces included the low-level 17 Hz near-infrasonic tone. The presence of the tone resulted in a significant number (22%) of respondents reporting anxiety, uneasiness, extreme sorrow, nervous feelings of revulsion or fear, chills down the spine and feelings of pressure on the chest. In presenting the evidence to British Association for the Advancement of Science, Professor Richard Wiseman said, "These results suggest that low frequency sound can cause people to have unusual experiences even though they cannot consciously detect infrasound. Some scientists have suggested that this level of sound may be present at some allegedly haunted sites and so cause people to have odd sensations that they attribute to a ghostour findings support these ideas."
So, only around one fifth of the human audience had any sort of perceptual awareness of their exposure to infrasound! I am currently guessing I'm in that 1/5th. Assuming I've been exposed to this freq of sound by our friend, bigfoot, I can vouch for the symptoms of uneasiness, anxiety and nervous fear.
Bottom Line:
So putting it all together, the only thing I can think of, is that when a few of them spot you, they begin their infrasonic "walkie talkie" type chatter, alerting each other to your presence. This mechanism is one possible explanation for the feelings people report.
This mechanism Does Not address the less easy to explain business of people claiming to become aware of the attention when stared at too long. I simply havent got any naturalistic explanations for that one.
I can say, that this bad feeling is very similar to letting your imagination run away with you. It repeated twice this January on the Pacific Crest Trail during chukkar hunts, and when we got close enough to the geographic area that seemed to be the source(!) of this scary feeling, it was corroborated each time by my Labs alerting strongly to hidden animals uphill of the trail. God knows what was 30 or 50 yards uphill hiding in the brush. I had no desire to force the issue at this point, and my dogs alternated between pure fear/clingy and confrontationally staring uphill.
I just said, whatever it is, I have no desire right now to find out the hard way... and so we split. That was probably one of my better calls. The minute we were out of what I would call their ambush zone (high up in Indian Wells Canyon, on the PCT between Owens Peak and Walkers Pass on a slop so steep that the path was the only realistic one for traverse), the dogs relaxed and went back to their normal search pattern for birds, my bad feeling diminished considerably, and things went back to normal.
Hey, maybe it was a big cat. Some purr in infrasonic frequencies. Eh, they werent cats.
I don't consider myself a "Squatcher". I am just one of those loner backpacker/hunter types who gets around, and wonders just exactly what does go on in the Sierras.
I initially liked the skeptical La Brea tar pits theory, which goes more or less, "if we don't find them[bigfoot] in it, then they don't exist in the state." After all, examples of nearly all the animals found in this region throughout history, are found in the pit.
Except people. They only found one Indian gal, and the archeologists claim she is only there because she was ceremonially "interred" there 10,000 years ago, along with a dog. Musn't go on long trips without the dog! I don't blame her. Id have requested a hunting dog, too.
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits
It looks like intelligent local bipeds simply don't get trapped in the tar pits in appreciable quantities, as only one ancient human body has been found, so far. The Indians did access this local natural resource, as a means of waterproofing their baskets, among other uses, so its not like they never accessed them. They just had enough brains to either stay out, or call for help from their fellows, if things got out of hand, rather than stupidly drown in the muck.
Which is how and why our fellow biped (Bigfoot) is not represented among the tarpits victims; he either has the sense to stay out, or called on his fellows for help in being pulled out, just as a local Indian could have done.
That said,
OK, so here's at least one possible technical, although abbreviated, explanation for the "bad feeling" mentioned earlier in this thread:
Infrasound is an interesting range of sound frequency, which is pretty much defined as evathing below 20Hz.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
Now, a lot of animals communicate with each other, using infrasound: whales, elephants, hippos, gators, giraffes, okapis, tigers, rhinos, [and who knows what else]. Elephants use their secret infrasound technology for comms, giving them a range of about 10klicks. Whales communicate for hundreds of miles in the dense medium they inhabit.
I consider this proof that infrasound is a legitimate, possible method for at least some big creatures to utilize for their comms. Elephants use it possibly for mating( heh heh!), herd direction, and scaring enemies(?!)...
Interestingly, some migrating birds may be using the infrasonic sound waves which result from wind flowing over mountain ranges, in order to navigate-- so maybe animals do NOT have to be large to perceive infrasound, only emit it.
By its very nature, infrasound is a neat way to communicate, since it travels long distances, with low dissipation. If an animal were able to make use of this comm method, it could provide approximately the range and covert utility of a primitive Walkie Talkie! Not bad.
It seems that one of the main requirements is that the animal who wants to emit in this freq, be large. All the animals on the accepted list are on the large side of the scale. Does bigfoot meet this requirement? Apparently so, judging by typical witness accounts.
So, what are the biological effects on humans resulting from exposure to infrasound?
From the above mentioned wikipedia entry:
"One study has suggested that infrasound may cause feelings of awe or fear in humans. It was also suggested that since it is not consciously perceived, it can make people feel vaguely that supernatural events are taking place."
"The infrasound and low-frequency noise produced by some wind turbines is believed by some to cause "wind-turbine syndrome" (headaches, dizziness, nausea) in humans and other animals close to the turbines." So here we see that even common machines can emit it, with the above mentioned weird perception results.
This next section is so interesting, heres the whole paragraph:
"Infrasonic 17 Hz tone experiment
On May 31, 2003, a team of UK researchers held a mass experiment where they exposed some 700 people to music laced with soft 17 Hz sine waves played at a level described as "near the edge of hearing", produced by an extra-long-stroke subwoofer mounted two-thirds of the way from the end of a seven-meter-long plastic sewer pipe. The experimental concert (entitled Infrasonic) took place in the Purcell Room over the course of two performances, each consisting of four musical pieces. Two of the pieces in each concert had 17 Hz tones played underneath. In the second concert, the pieces that were to carry a 17 Hz undertone were swapped so that test results would not focus on any specific musical piece. The participants were not told which pieces included the low-level 17 Hz near-infrasonic tone. The presence of the tone resulted in a significant number (22%) of respondents reporting anxiety, uneasiness, extreme sorrow, nervous feelings of revulsion or fear, chills down the spine and feelings of pressure on the chest. In presenting the evidence to British Association for the Advancement of Science, Professor Richard Wiseman said, "These results suggest that low frequency sound can cause people to have unusual experiences even though they cannot consciously detect infrasound. Some scientists have suggested that this level of sound may be present at some allegedly haunted sites and so cause people to have odd sensations that they attribute to a ghostour findings support these ideas."
So, only around one fifth of the human audience had any sort of perceptual awareness of their exposure to infrasound! I am currently guessing I'm in that 1/5th. Assuming I've been exposed to this freq of sound by our friend, bigfoot, I can vouch for the symptoms of uneasiness, anxiety and nervous fear.
Bottom Line:
So putting it all together, the only thing I can think of, is that when a few of them spot you, they begin their infrasonic "walkie talkie" type chatter, alerting each other to your presence. This mechanism is one possible explanation for the feelings people report.
This mechanism Does Not address the less easy to explain business of people claiming to become aware of the attention when stared at too long. I simply havent got any naturalistic explanations for that one.
I can say, that this bad feeling is very similar to letting your imagination run away with you. It repeated twice this January on the Pacific Crest Trail during chukkar hunts, and when we got close enough to the geographic area that seemed to be the source(!) of this scary feeling, it was corroborated each time by my Labs alerting strongly to hidden animals uphill of the trail. God knows what was 30 or 50 yards uphill hiding in the brush. I had no desire to force the issue at this point, and my dogs alternated between pure fear/clingy and confrontationally staring uphill.
I just said, whatever it is, I have no desire right now to find out the hard way... and so we split. That was probably one of my better calls. The minute we were out of what I would call their ambush zone (high up in Indian Wells Canyon, on the PCT between Owens Peak and Walkers Pass on a slop so steep that the path was the only realistic one for traverse), the dogs relaxed and went back to their normal search pattern for birds, my bad feeling diminished considerably, and things went back to normal.
Hey, maybe it was a big cat. Some purr in infrasonic frequencies. Eh, they werent cats.
I don't consider myself a "Squatcher". I am just one of those loner backpacker/hunter types who gets around, and wonders just exactly what does go on in the Sierras.
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Nice post, Erasmus.
I have to add that since there have been no reports of bigfoot maulings or any real aggression, aside from throwing rocks and the odd temper tantrum scream.... I can only assume that the sasquatch are indeed "big scaredy-feet".
I'm pretty sure I can take em'.
Rick
I have to add that since there have been no reports of bigfoot maulings or any real aggression, aside from throwing rocks and the odd temper tantrum scream.... I can only assume that the sasquatch are indeed "big scaredy-feet".
I'm pretty sure I can take em'.
Rick
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I don't know if this link has posted yet, but data from the Bigfoot Geographical Database of Bigfoot Organization indicates that these things are all over the place. There have been sightings not far from my house! Now I'm not sure if possums have been eating my tomatoes or if it's something entirely different.
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Yes, and if you reported 10 more sightings in 10 different states.... they would show up, too. The fact that they are so numerous makes it even less credible.
You can go on a bigfoot hunt for the low-low price of $300-$500 dollars. Many of them are "sold out". I doesn't hurt to make a buck here or there, does it.
Matt Moneymaker started the BFRO. BTW... his dad was a banker named Rich Moneymaker.... no fooling. Matt also claimed to be an attourney for over a decade because he felt it gave him an intimidation advantage. Sounds like his heart is in the right pocket next to a roll of greenbacks.
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Just ran across this thread & haven't read all the posts but I'd like to share a couple thoughts. If Big Foot/Yeti/Et.All is a physical being, could it be that he's a species of human? A variant that evolved in a way to not need technology but still intelligent. I can't recall anyone ever claiming to be harmed by one. A cougar & a leopard are shaped & sized a lot alike but their personalities are way different. Maybe he wants to stay the hell out of our way till he can trust us a little.
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Always the skeptic Rick, aren't you. I have it on good authority, from a website that claims to report something that someone who may or may not be credible said to someone somewhere a long while ago, that bigfoot is in my backyard. Duh, he's in my back yard! What's your deal?
On the topic of possible maulings.. it brings to mind the old joke "where does a 600lb gorilla sleep?"
People permanently disappear while backpacking and hunting on public land, occasionally. Now, since dead men tell no tales, who's to say how they went? Why would we assume that a spindly 180lb man could survive an encounter with a hostile who weighs north of 400lbs?! And shows up at 0dark30, unannounced. And mad.
He hasn't survived all this time, by fighting fair and being stupid, people
There's a cheery thought for the next time you find yourself backpacking alone, with no gun and too scared to turn on your headlamp.:foot:
My favorite baseless theory could more or less be characterized as "The Missing Link" or "The Caveman(?) who refused to evolve".
Instead of shooting one dead, why doesn't someone get a minute of clearly focused, steady, HD footage, for Pete's sake?!
People permanently disappear while backpacking and hunting on public land, occasionally. Now, since dead men tell no tales, who's to say how they went? Why would we assume that a spindly 180lb man could survive an encounter with a hostile who weighs north of 400lbs?! And shows up at 0dark30, unannounced. And mad.
He hasn't survived all this time, by fighting fair and being stupid, people
There's a cheery thought for the next time you find yourself backpacking alone, with no gun and too scared to turn on your headlamp.:foot:
My favorite baseless theory could more or less be characterized as "The Missing Link" or "The Caveman(?) who refused to evolve".
Instead of shooting one dead, why doesn't someone get a minute of clearly focused, steady, HD footage, for Pete's sake?!
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You are assuming that man knows what they are. Clearly we do not know what is behind this phenomena. People that have seen them, or have seen enough evidence of them, are transformed into believers, the rest just make fun and explain it all away with a laugh. But, the fact remains whatever is behind it is not at our mercy, like the rest of the animals here on earth. The Native Americans, all knew of them and had names for them. They say there's no use to hunt them, they have powers we don't understand. Seems they might just be right.
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changed my mind,,,
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Jill, that would make an awesome opening narration for a movie....... I think we need an updated Hollywood-budget Bigfoot movie.... Harry and the Hendersons just ain't cutting it for me anymore. I'm seeing a riveting historical account of how the Sasquatch and his lady friend managed to stow away on the Ark, undetected... as seen through the creatures eyes, of course.
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IMO with all the controversies surrounding every other video clip out there a new video regardless of how compelling it is would be labelled as a hoax. Now a body is a whole different ballgame.
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This is really a discussion about your world view. If you have a naturalistic/science view then the only thing that will confirm this is what fits into a proof model. If you have a supernatural/deistic worldview then there's room for things that can't be explained by science. Most of us blend our worldviews to varying degrees either by intent or by sloppy thinking. My take on these mysteries is that there is plenty of noise throughout human history of giants, spooks, creatures of the night and such. While we might dismiss such things in our so called enlightened day and age I think there is a spiritual/supernatural side of reality. What Bigfoot is does not matter to me so much as the bigger questions of faith, reason and eternity. It seems clear that many have experienced something but the effect of it has been inconclusive at the least causing conflict and strife in a bigger way as people get wrapped up in the 'search'. To me the search is a dead end and no good can come from it.