"Squatchers"

It's kind of interesting, how bigfoot discussions tend towards the supernatural. Why is that? We don't bring up the supernatural when we discuss mountain gorillas in Africa, so why here? Just wondering.

On the topic of footage proving stuff to people... We've got people who don't even believe we went to the moon, so I guess footage won't do the job.

I personally wouldn't want any of them shot dead, just to satisfy idle curiosity. Personal protection would be another story. Still tragically wasteful of a rare creature, but understandable.
 
I took some time to ponder the question of 'Why is it this veers into the supernatural?'. I am convinced that there is something to the legends and recent reports but I also agree that things as big and raucous as a bigfoot is reported to be would be hard to misplace. That leaves me trying to reconcile the two and I come down on the synthesis of this must be something. I think we are talking about an inter-dimensional supernatural "whatever" you want to call it. That might land me right into the nut job category but that's my way to explain it. I believe in God, angels and demons so it is not a big stretch to imagine a bigfoot as something outside of the natural but experienced by some of us for some reason which I can't understand.........scratching my noggin. I also think this has been faked by some for a hoax. I get the humor of doing that, freak out the guys..listen to them blather on and on. I could enjoy that one as long as I knew they wouldn't shoot me.
 
Erasmus said:
It's kind of interesting, how bigfoot discussions tend towards the supernatural. Why is that? We don't bring up the supernatural when we discuss mountain gorillas in Africa, so why here? Just wondering.

On the topic of footage proving stuff to people... We've got people who don't even believe we went to the moon, so I guess footage won't do the job.

I personally wouldn't want any of them shot dead, just to satisfy idle curiosity. Personal protection would be another story. Still tragically wasteful of a rare creature, but understandable.
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there are less than 200 Florida panthers,(around 160 as of 2011, per wiki) couple others just said less than 200. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther

there has been 198 bigfoot sightings in Florida. 222 in Ohio. i wasn't gonna put that in because per the BFRO sight Ohio ranks 4Th in bigfoot sightings.
which seems reasonable given the vast size and minimal population:rolleyes:. http://www.bfro.net/gdb/

my point is seems to be plenty of them(bigfoots) around to take one out to use for scientific research. that's how Audubon did it.

I've posted it before, i have no problem with it. see it shoot it bring in the carcass.
 
It delves into supernatural because there is no reliable physical evidence. All the other critters have quantities of physical evidence in the form of carcasses, skins, photos, film and reliable first hand accounts. Big foot is always wishy-washy evidence and questionable first hand accounts. (Now don't get on my case about this, I do not believe people are making up their encounters, I fully respect your experience and I'm not trying to put you down.) It's just hard to believe, as a wildlife biologist in Northern California, that no one has ever taken a big foot dead or alive. We have ways to catch and study every critter around. It's just too far of a stretch to believe that a population of mere mortal, large mammals is roaming the countryside, and not leaving any physical evidence.
 
heresthedeal said:
there are less than 200 Florida panthers,(around 160 as of 2011, per wiki) couple others just said less than 200. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther

there has been 198 bigfoot sightings in Florida. 222 in Ohio. i wasn't gonna put that in because per the BFRO sight Ohio ranks 4Th in bigfoot sightings.
which seems reasonable given the vast size and minimal population:rolleyes:. http://www.bfro.net/gdb/

my point is seems to be plenty of them(bigfoots) around to take one out to use for scientific research. that's how Audubon did it.

I've posted it before, i have no problem with it. see it shoot it bring in the carcass.
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Wow, going to that website I discovered I'm literally surrounded by big feet in every direction. They claimed sightings within a few miles or less of my home for the last 40 years. But "unknown movement in the bushes" doesn't really prove too much.
 
I see Squatches about like i see Eastern Pumas (eastern mt lion).. with all our technology, game cameras, and the population of people period niether have which have proved with out a doubt that both really exist. i would believe the eastern puma still lives over the squatch. but in reality, both do not exist
 
I can't say the same, anymore, Hung-solo. We had the legend of the "ghost cats" here in Ontario and everyone said it was a myth. Well, a four year study done my the MNR confirmed that the big cats are here. The estimation is at 550. "There appears to be a “cougar corridor” bordered by Ottawa, Peterborough and Owen Sound to the south and North Bay, Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie to the north." I was asked to check out tracks at a local Park and found what I believed were cougar tracks. a few months later it was sighted the next county over. I am waaaaaaay South of that "corridor".
 
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I can't say the same, anymore, Hung-solo. We had the legend of the "ghost cats" here in Ontario and everyone said it was a myth. Well, a four year study done my the MNR confirmed that the big cats are here. The estimation is at 550. "There appears to be a “cougar corridor” bordered by Ottawa, Peterborough and Owen Sound to the south and North Bay, Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie to the north." I was asked to check out tracks at a local Park and found what I believed were cougar tracks. a few months later it was sighted the next county over. I am waaaaaaay South of that "corridor".
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Rick

i do believe you. i can see them surviving in Canada. Just not down here in the states. Esp from the NE down through the south. They had high price tags and EVERYONE hunted them. with encroachment of humans for their mtn homes and etc i just dont see any surviving. and IF there were some down here it would only be very very few. perhaps 50 or less. but even then, thats a stretch. dont get me wrong. i am not closed minded about this. i would love for someone to verify that we do indeed have EASTERN cougars and not migrating/ introduced western cougars.
 
The lion posts above prove my point. We think there are lions, we do a 4 year study, holy cow, we've got lions.
 
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I think my point is that we have the technology and intelligence to do studies like this. There was enough evidence to validate a 4yr government study for the Ontario Cougars. I would think that a Sasquatch would be of significant scientific interest. Why then has there not been a government funded study? I know there have been several private investigations but none have shown enough evidence to confirm the creatures existence to the scientific community. The BFRO's sighting map is lit up like a christmas tree... Why no bigfeets?
 
When I was growing up in the mid-west, there many firm believers in a local population of "black panthers" that was supposed to be roaming our tiny number of surviving wood lots. Hardly any of those stands were over 10 or 20 acres and there were no deer around at the time. The deer population has returned now but I have no idea what the panthers were supposed to be eating back then. There are also no black phases of the Mt. Lion. Maybe jaguar? Yet you didn't want to tell the believers it was impossible.
 
We do have the technology. Investigating the changing range of a known species is easy enough, example your cougar study. Funding is always difficult to find, but there is money there for legitimately needed studies. Usually you have to demonstrate the need for the information. For instance, evidence that cougars are expanding their range through some incidental sightings leads to agency or academic interest in how or why, or management implications. Keep in mind there is a big difference between a known species expanding its range or recolonizing areas where it hasn't been seen in decades.

Once there is credible evidence of the existence of bigfoot, I guarantee there will be funded studies on population size, distribution, habitat, behavior, genetics, etc. Until then, funding goes to more pressing issues, such as how to save our salmon populations. It's not a conspiracy, its just a lack of evidence and more pressing issues. I truly believe it will take a specimen, dead or alive, to turn this around. Tracks, images and eye-witness accounts just aren't enough, they are all too subjective.
 
hung-solo said:
I see Squatches about like i see Eastern Pumas (eastern mt lion).. with all our technology, game cameras, and the population of people period niether have which have proved with out a doubt that both really exist. i would believe the eastern puma still lives over the squatch. but in reality, both do not exist
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According to Ohio DNR mt loins have been gone for 200 years Funny A coworker had ODNR out on his farm setting Big box traps for a possible couger. they ask him to check it daily
Roy
 
plumberroy said:
According to Ohio DNR mt loins have been gone for 200 years Funny A coworker had ODNR out on his farm setting Big box traps for a possible couger. they ask him to check it daily
Roy
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hung-solo said:
I see Squatches about like i see Eastern Pumas (eastern mt lion).. with all our technology, game cameras, and the population of people period niether have which have proved with out a doubt that both really exist. i would believe the eastern puma still lives over the squatch. but in reality, both do not exist
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from what i saw on the net, there were 15 florida panthers hit on the road in florida in 2007. not one bigfoot was hit on the roads in florida(or any place else) tho.

mountain lions move a lot, there was one killed on the road in coneticut in 2009? that had been tagged in south dakota. I've seen game cam pics of mountain lions hanging up general stores in south east KY. (letcher, and pike county)

as far as money for studies, theres no government checks written to study unicorns either. fictional/imaginary animals are not as important as the real ones i guess.
 
plumberroy said:
According to Ohio DNR mt loins have been gone for 200 years Funny A coworker had ODNR out on his farm setting Big box traps for a possible couger. they ask him to check it daily
Roy
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heresthedeal said:
from what i saw on the net, there were 15 florida panthers hit on the road in florida in 2007. not one bigfoot was hit on the roads in florida(or any place else) tho.

mountain lions move a lot, there was one killed on the road in coneticut in 2009? that had been tagged in south dakota. I've seen game cam pics of mountain lions hanging up general stores in south east KY. (letcher, and pike county)

as far as money for studies, theres no government checks written to study unicorns either. fictional/imaginary animals are not as important as the real ones i guess.
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none of the cougars mentioned have proved to be an EASTERN mt lion. thats my point. the closest ones would be the Fla panthers. supposedly there are some still in the southern Jawja swamps. that i can believe. but i believe all of the EASTERN cougars have been killed off. it would be huge news if any of those cougars tested to be an eastern cougar and not a western cougar that was intruduced or had moved to the east. i didnt get my info from wiki but the wiki page does give a good read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Cougar
 
Eastern or western won't make a difference when they begin breeding and get established. Mountain lions are very flexible and slinky so with all the food they have to choose from and the cover along the rivers and wetlands they will be hard to get rid of without doing it the old school way. Maybe the debate on east and west matters on some level but the kitties aren't paying attention to it.
 
sir_mike said:
Looks like this thread got hijacked to talk about lions, etc.
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its more realistic than squatches lol.. however i did go to school with a big ole girl who was called sasquatch. does that count? she wasnt hairy but she sure was big.
 
hung-solo said:
its more realistic than squatches lol.. however i did go to school with a big ole girl who was called sasquatch. does that count? she wasnt hairy but she sure was big.
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until i looked up more on the net about them, i thought florida panthers were eastern mountain lions. oh well, learn something new every day.

back to bigfoots. all the evidence so far is pretty much faith based. to many hoaxes, to many pictures of tracks that don't go anywhere, and are obvious fakes.

after 20 pages of this thread, i can say, no i don't believe bigfoot exists. eastern mountain lions are a different story:eek:.
 
mountain lions move a lot, there was one killed on the road in coneticut in 2009? that had been tagged in south dakota.
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The mountain lion population in CT is a verboten subject among DEEP officials here. There have been countless sightings, pictures, several roadkills, etc but the official position is that there is no native breeding population. What they don't say is that there really is a growing number of non-native cats here. The one killed on I 95 last summer was indeed tagged in the upper midwest but sold to the state DEEP as part of a reintroduction program intended to control the expanding deer population. Another cat was killed by a farmer in the eatern part of the state a while back, it had a radio collar from Colorado Fish and Game around its neck. A couple months ago one was hit in northwest CT on a highway. The area was blocked off by police, nobody was allowed to get close enough to see it, no pictures were allowed, the guy who hit it was told his cell phone was subject to confiscation if he took pictures. DEEP scooped it up and it disappeared along with the story.
 
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