"Squatchers"

Codger_64 said:
Loch Ness is real! I've been there and it is even on the map!
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It too bad the "monster" is a little shy.

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heresthedeal said:
I would like to hear the story as well. I won't be judgmental either.
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Eh, why not spill it...


I've been wracking my brain, trying to remember exactly when this occurred. It was during my .410 bore phase, so I'd say it was about 10 years ago, occuring in Sand Canyon. To date, I've been hunting in this region for (scratches head and does the math) almost 30 years. With and without hunting buddies, w/ and w/o labradors.

At the time, I had parked my car at the trailhead, and walked in and upwards, about 5 miles to the beginnings of scrubby pines. At some point during the quail hunt, I paused on the edge of an opening located in a thin, frozen but sun-lit forest to mess around with my pack, my back to the open space. For some reason I turned around suddenly, and looked behind me. 50 or 80 yards behind me was a downed tree. It was one of those classic Sierra Nevada straight trunked trees, with no branches at all, near the base. It's diameter was about belt buckle high to a 6' man, and was resting flat on the ground.

Well, as I spun around, I saw a "hairy man" on the other side of that tree, watching me, sticking up almost 2' above the downed tree. He was just about the size of a 5 1/2' or 6' guy, and built real beefy, like a highschool football player. He had no neck. His big human shaped head sat directly on his shoulders. His fur covered him completely, and was about 3" long, and was so dark brown, as to appear blackish. This long hair didn't lay flat on his skin, but stuck out at about a 45 degree angle, exactly reminiscent of an orangutan. I don't recall making out any facial detail. It seemed to be way to shaggy to make out any detail on.

I have 20/10 vision, and for less than 10 seconds, I had a damn good (and also damned shocked) look at the upper 1/3 or 1/4 of his body.

As a hunter, I know that you will often walk past hiding animals, which then feel free to pop up when they think your back is turned, usually either to have a look at you, or more often, to flee and hide elsewhere.

His posture and attitude seemed to be one of, "well shit, how'd you know to turn around catch me looking?!" So, after several seconds of us staring at each other, he sinks straight down silently. For my part, my fear level and adrenaline are sky high. I'm standing there and saying to myself, "WTF was that?!"

Any time you find yourself saying that to yourself, you already know wtf that was, you are just in denial-- stalling for time, trying to get your scared brain to catch up to reality...

Tweren't no black bear, cat, nor person.

So, I stalled there after the sighting for almost a minute, trying to make up my mind what to do. Being somewhat young but plenty stupid, I then charged over to the tree, directly where it was standing, and bent over and looked over this 3' diameter tree (maybe 50' in length). The biped was long gone...

I honestly believe that it dropped down on all fours and hauled ass laterally in a monkey-like fashion and hid from me. The frozen dirt yielded no tracks that my scared brain noticed. At this point, I myself had had enough, and split, myself.


I'm easy to recognize in the hunting fields. I'm the guy who still bird hunts in this and other similar nearby canyons, but with a .45 along for company.



I told this incident straight up. It happened just like I say, w/o any exageration or embellishment.
 
Erasmus.... thank you for sharing. FWIW, I think you are sincere... my buddy was, too. Damn cool story. It is still one of those things I remain skeptical about, though. I have experienced things that make me question my stance on the supernatural.... maybe one day, the scales will tip.

Rick
 
Erasmus said:
Eh, why not spill it...

...I told this incident straight up. It happened just like I say, w/o any exageration or embellishment.
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Thanks for sharing that. I have had similar experiences while out enjoying a little astronomy. Somethings moves where you wouldn't expect movement, or a strange shape materializes in the eyepiece and stays just long enough to get your pulse going.

This one really had me going:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHsI-vnX8m0

These things look innocent enough during the day, but consider what they look like when two of them float silently overhead at 400+feet when it is 3:00AM, and they fly right through the field of view of your widefield refractor. I only saw them because my telescope was amplifying the available light. There was initially no way to tell how far or large they were nor how fast it may have been moving. I just had enough time to register the odd shape.

Our eyes can fool us sometimes. Perhaps since the log was laying on the ground, from its base to the height of 3 feet, and you could only see the top of the thing, it may have been an illusion where a smaller creature sits on top of the log in less than ideal lighting and your mind reads it as a larger animal standing behind the obstruction.

Something like this:
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Seems there's people that have no experience with Bigfoot that don't believe there's anything to the creature, then there's the ones that have experience that know there really is something to this phenomena. Tales of this hairy man-like beast are not at all uncommon, throughout the world. I used to not think a lot about it, even though the area where I live has a history of people seeing an upright, hair covered, gorilla like beast. Still it's not something I could believe fully without some sort of personal experience. I spend a great deal of time outdoors, hiking in areas where people just don't commonly go. I have heard something, at a distance of feet on more than one occasion. And yes I could have seen it on at least two of those times, if I had been brave enough to close the distance. But, I was not about to approach something that made a sound like it did, on both occasions. Also the fact that I had very large, brave dogs with me, the first time and they where plainly afraid of whatever it was, did nothing to bolster my bravery. Lets just say, I used to laugh and make fun of all these stories of a man-ape roaming about. No more I know there is something to all this. What I sure don't know, but I do know the good folks around here, did not suddenly pull this creature out of thin air one day and decide to report it to the police and the newspapers. I know nobody that hasn't had anything like this happen, will not believe it could be real and I was no different before I did see evidence otherwise.
 
Thanks for your story Erasmus. I believe you and yet I dont.

A relative of mine saw a little person like an elf. He knows what he saw.
 
Jill, I totally get where you are coming from. I might have missed it but it doesn't sound like you actually made visual contact with the creature. To make the jump from sounds in the bushes and scared dogs to Bigfoot is quite the leap. Unless, you have been reading and wondering about creature (possibly grooming yourself to come to that conclusion.) I mean no offence to you. There have been a plethora cultural "myths" passed down through the ages. Some are very believable... some are never solved and others end up being very explainable by a series of not so amazing circumstances. The encounters fascinate me and I don't believe for a second that you, Erasmus or my friend are making this up. The plausibility is there... I just doubt the probability.
 
It was not just making a leap, I did hear a huge animal, that made an unearthly noise, this animal stunk and it sounded very heavy, when it approached, yet it ran off in huge leaps and went straight over a 60 foot cliff, rocks rolled and branches broke, as it tore toward the river below. Why did it run off? Because I was over a cliff, in a hidden cave and it had approached directly above me, very much sounding like a large man walking on the limestone outcropping above me. When I asked, who is there, it made a growl that was horrible. I was trapped and it just stood there, until I picked up a head sized rock and dashed it down on the rocks below, that is when it leaped away in huge bounds and went over the cliff right down from me. Nothing could have done that, not a bear or a man.

The other time I heard it I was at the top of a hill and something roared right below me, that time I had dogs with me, hunting dogs that are not afraid of animals. We all ran! Why do I think it was the creature that was sighted many times in my area? Because, I know hose people that did see it and I know they didn't make it up and I'm firmly convinced there is something out there. Don't expect you or anyone else to believe it, but I do.
 
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That could well have been a bear. I believe you are convinced it was something else, probably for good reasons. I do not think you are lying .... but I think you could be wrong.

I can't find the link but I saw footage of a grizzy that ran down a steep 25 foot rock ledge like it was nothing.... he also went back up in about 3 bounds. I'm still searching for the link. You first paragraph is textbook bear encounter. Heavy steps, strong smell, low growl, curiously holding ground and bursting away, never being seen. Bears also stand high and many have been mistaken for "other" animals. You did not see it, right? Erasmus and my friend made visual contact which narrows the realm of possibility.
 
Rick Marchand said:
That could well have been a bear. I believe you are convinced it was something else, probably for good reasons. I do not think you are lying .... but I think you could be wrong.

I can't find the link but I saw footage of a grizzy that ran down a steep 25 foot rock ledge like it was nothing.... he also went back up in about 3 bounds. I'm still searching for the link. You first paragraph is textbook bear encounter. Heavy steps, strong smell, low growl, curiously holding ground and bursting away, never being seen. Bears also stand high and many have been mistaken for "other" animals. You did not see it, right? Erasmus and my friend made visual contact which narrows the realm of possibility.
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Look Rick, no I didn't see it, nor did I care to try to see it. (this thing wasn't exactly non-menacing sounding) The reason I think it was the creature sighted in my area many times, is because there has never been a bear seen around here. There has been reports of a upright hair covered ape like creature. I do believe them, because I know many of the people that say they did see it. You don't believe a close friend that has told you he did see it, so that is your personal choice, just as I decided to believe the people I know and added with that and what I've heard and the tracks I've seen, plus a few other things I won't get into here (because what does it matter, you haven't seen any evidence, you won't believe it) So, like I said think what you want, but if you ever decide to really get into looking for this creature, in an area where it is reported, you may just have your mind changed. (like some others have)
 
You are missing my point. I BELIEVE you experienced what you said, I BELIEVE my friend is ABSOLUTELY telling the truth. I just think there is another explanation for it. EVERYTHING that walks on the ground leaves traces. If they have been untouched by humans and are the most menacing thing in the woods, why wouldn't there be a population explosion? Are they smart enough to practice birth control? (we aren't) What makes them even afraid of humans? None have been shot. They have no natural predators. No other animal on the Earth does what they can do. Not a single person has been attacked by the creature where DNA was found. We can find a bug in the Amazon... track fox, wolf, bear, big cats, gorillas, etc... have state of the art technology that can image people through buildings from miles away..... yet a giant ape evades us. THAT is what I have trouble accepting...... NOT the accounts from honest people like yourself, Jill.
 
Rick Marchand said:
You are missing my point. I BELIEVE you experienced what you said, I BELIEVE my friend is ABSOLUTELY telling the truth. I just think there is another explanation for it. EVERYTHING that walks on the ground leaves traces. If they have been untouched by humans and are the most menacing thing in the woods, why wouldn't there be a population explosion? Are they smart enough to practice birth control? (we aren't) What makes them even afraid of humans? None have been shot. They have no natural predators. No other animal on the Earth does what they can do. Not a single person has been attacked by the creature where DNA was found. We can find a bug in the Amazon... track fox, wolf, bear, big cats, gorillas, etc... have state of the art technology that can image people through buildings from miles away..... yet a giant ape evades us. THAT is what I have trouble accepting...... NOT the accounts from honest people like yourself, Jill.
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Yet, people continue to see this creature and find it's tracks, almost all over the entire world. It's strange, I admit. But, I've seen more than enough to know there really is something to it.
 
I think there is something to it as well..... and I really do hope it is proven to be true.... that would be amazing. Thanks for sharing so openly about this.
 
I think the revival of indigenous shamanistic practices, as well as the proliferation of inexpensive gillie suits, are responsible for the "explosion" of recent sightings.
 
Rick has hit on what fascinates me the most about this phenomenon, good honest people are honestly seeing SOMETHING. Some stories are fabricated but there are a lot that did see,or believe that they saw, a bigfoot and I would love to know what they saw. Obviously from my posts I don't believe in bigfoot but I do believe these people saw something and I would love to have the same experience. Chris
 
I don't think the Patterson film was fake, because people see this creature all the time (a lot anyway) and when someone gets a film showing it, then all of a sudden, it can't be true!
Also I don't believe those two guys could have faked that. There was also tracks found, where the film was made and plaster casts of them.

Many of the tracks found have shown detail, that would be impossible to fake. There's also been tracks found that went on for a great distance, as well as tracks found where man very rarely goes.

http://sasquatchresearch.net/pattersonanalyzation.html
 
Jill, do you have any links regarding the tracks. EVERY tracking expert that I have spoke to about bigfoot tracks says that they are "dead" meaning not showing the sign of life in them. I am curious to know the names of the tracker who claim they are from a living creature... and why they have found no hair or scat.
 
I am sceptical of a lot of reports , especially one in open farn country where 25 acres is a big wood lot. I am also sceptical of so and so city boy driving down the road and seeing something dash across the road. When people who live outside and know wildlife says there is something out there???? ranchers, loggers and the loners who eak a living out of the woods People that can see animals ear and know it is a bear or what ever You know the type of people I'm talking about. I got to think hard.

We have all seen the patterson -gimlin film I have watched many times slowed down looped and such and I'm not convinced it is fake . first off Take a look at the 1968 planet of the apes movie 5.8 million budget ground breaking make up, looked no where near as real as the P-G film who were working with a borrowed grand in cash . And the history channel re creation didn't recreate what I see in the movie the cowboys shot. As far as the guy claiming it was him in a suit BULLSHIT I don't beleive a word he says. I an sceptical but leaning towards there is something out there. If it does exist He starts chunkin' soccor ball size rock in my direction like many report . They will be no doubt they exist :D
Roy
 
I'm on board with the idea that something is going on. From the stories here, and from personal friends, obviously reliable people are experiencing something. I've just got to go supernatural with this one. There is no way a mere mammal this size could have living populations and never leave a corpse. Seriously, not one corpse.
 
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