SRM,a copycat family

Sigh.

It may have been said. I didn't read the whole thread. If it hasn't been said, allow me:

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
 
Comeuppance said:
This may be surprising, but this actually raises my opinion of SRM. I used to think when I looked at a lot of the knives "what moron came up with that blade shape?"

Turns out it was Mantis, not SRM.
So, really, SRM makes some crap choices for copying knives.
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But I bet SRM's copies are actually better quality than the mantis originals. :D
 
hardheart said:
That SRM steals designs. It is in the thread title, shown by the comparison pics, and highlighted when the thread starter said that SRM does not make the OEM knives in many instances when they are selling a similar pattern. How that is supposed to be shilling or trolling is beyond me. BF does not allow the sale or advertising of knockoffs, and educating people of such practices seems hardly out of place, especially when a few manufacturers are specifically asking the community to help them identify knockoffs. The best that can be said for what SRM does is that they at least don't copy the trade dress of names and symbols when they steal the designs. I think a few are also no worse than what SOG or Gerber has done before in copying the Endura, Delica, and M16, but that is still bad enough.

There are threads and individual posts by many members who praise, trade, and sell their SRM knives. Most are not copies, but an example of the copies that do exist might help sway a few to buy the legitimate models and allow the designers to profit from their effort. I don't know if the OP had any other intent, but he doesn't seem to be doing anything too helpful for getting SRMs sold in favor of the originals.
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I already knew this, and I think most members here know this. To clarify, I was wondering if there was anything further than that the OP was trying to display.
 
BENCHMADE 860
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GANZO 712
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BENCHMADE 950
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GANZO 710
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GANZO ,another copycat

even the anti-skidding patterns on the scales are the same as the BM's
 
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Crone said:
I already knew this, and I think most members here know this. To clarify, I was wondering if there was anything further than that the OP was trying to display.
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Honestly, with over 18,000 active members, I don't think most of them know about this. What I do like about this is that there are specific examples with photos given. If someone were to think about buying an SRM under the impression that it was an original design and not a copy, this thread could help them out if it is their intent to avoid supporting design theft. It would be quite difficult for someone not very into knives or relatively new to be able to identify which models are not original and are not licensed. I would suspect that someone shopping at the price level of SRM might be rather unaware of many of the designs they are copying. Of course this is not applicable to everyone, but adding a bit of knowledge doesn't seem harmful.

Although I suspect some may object to the display of any SRMs at all. But at some point people might need to be made aware of why another knife enthusiast has such an objection, otherwise they could go along blindly supporting such actions with no reason given to avoid it. I think it is one thing to wish to limit support for design theft, and I think it is another thing to wish to limit displaying proof of design theft.
 
hardheart said:
best part about pointless threads is how pointless posts keep bumping them to the top because it is critically important to let everyone know how pointless they are.
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Thanks for pointedly pointing out the pointlessness of pointing out the pointlessness of this pointless thread. I'll make a point of pointing out future pointless threads just for you.

Dear OP: Please start listing all of the Wild Boar / Kevin John / etc. obvious knockoffs and fakes you can find, too. I'm sure that will be super useful to the geniuses out there who couldn't already figure out that this:

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...Is a knockoff of this:

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Interesting that China companies made copies and also being copied (rebranded) such as EL01 case being rebranded as Boker.

The thread has moved from SRM to Ganzo and perhaps Enlan. It needs an update in thread title.
 
hardheart said:
Honestly, with over 18,000 active members, I don't think most of them know about this.
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This topic isn't just beaten like a dead horse on these forums, it's been beaten, battered, bloodied, and ground into dog food. I apologize for that mental image. :barf:
There are many threads showing differences of fakes/counterfeits and the real things and an essentially constant debate over the ethics(if any) of these companies and designs.
Our members are very knowledgeable and informed, I'd be willing to bet that a very large majority are aware of these ongoings.

I was just hoping this thread would contain more knowledge about these kinds of knives that I didn't know about, not just pictures showing reals and fakes which are already easily discernible. :)
 
Crone said:
This topic isn't just beaten like a dead horse on these forums, it's been beaten, battered, bloodied, and ground into dog food.
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and the other threads are absorbed in the unique thread concepts like "The best knife for $XXX", "BM or Spyderco?", "Is the Seb worth it?", "What is the best steel?", "Do you use your expensive knives?"

General Discussion pretty much thrives on retread threads.
 
waterbeef said:
SRM H03

what ever...

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So any hints as to what this is an imitation (being a form of flattery???) of. Is it a slip joint? I like this design, before I go for one of these, can someone please point me in the direction of the original.

Thanks,

Erik
 
Ahh, I was hoping for a non-locking, slip joint, brushed stainless scales, thumb hole opening knife with the cool bottle opener built into the handle. I carried a Spyderco for over a dozen years, lost the last one in 2001 (to TSA), and haven't seen another that appealed to me since. A quality build of this knife does appeal to me. Though at its base price, this one seems a little too good to be true, at least to be of reasonable quality, i.e. able to stand up to a dozen or more years of EDC.

Thanks,

Erik
 
FreebornErik said:
Though at its base price, this one seems a little too good to be true, at least to be of reasonable quality, i.e. able to stand up to a dozen or more years of EDC.
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That's an interesting reply :)

Never worry about the quality of a SRM knife only if you don't mind the 8cr13mov steel ,which is easily to be dull but also easily to be resharpened.

You may even buy a dozen of this model (H03) and use each one for a year since the price is incredibly low(less than $4 in china).

The point is , it is a copycat of most of the spydies , and SRM may not have paid for useing the patent of the round opening hole,and this could be the reason why the price can be that low.
 
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In a word , why is SRM so cheap in the price ?

1, it uses patents that may not be paid for
2, inexpensive steel and other inexpensive material like G10
3, made in china , a country with very low labor cost

the quality is not the point to be worried about
 
I for one found this thread very informative. I have considered buying some of these knives. Knowing that a majority of them are knock-offs took me off the fence. I own several overseas knives. But stealing a design sucks. Enlan/SRM are officially off my list.
 
FreebornErik said:
So any hints as to what this is an imitation (being a form of flattery???) of. Is it a slip joint? I like this design, before I go for one of these, can someone please point me in the direction of the original.

Thanks,

Erik
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It appears to be a copy of the spyderco bug series, except the real ones don't have the bottle opener incorporated into the design.
 
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