Stacked Leather Handles and Narrower Tangs?

[tarmix101]

Geez.......... less material is less strong, IE; WEAKER, than more material. See? pretty simple.........

Pay attention here. You're still not getting what we (Fiddleback and I) are trying to say. For the most part I am on your side. I feel that full tangs ARE stronger than stick tangs. However that does not mean that stick tangs are WEAK.

Now look close and understand me. The person with a certain amount of skill can wield a stick tang just as well as you or I could a full tang with safety, and without harm to the knife.

In principal a full tang is better. Don't discount a stick tang that has served our great/great grand Fathers well.

So....:foot::foot::foot: and you will do well:foot::foot::foot::foot:

 

[tarmix101]

I simply choose different tools for the tasks you expect a knife to accomplish. Or I find a way to accomplish the task without endangering or ruining my knife. To each his own.Codger

Again Codger comes through with a voice of reason IMNSHO:thumbup:

 

[skammer]

I simply choose one good tool for all the tasks I expect a knife to accomplish and I dont have to worry about ruining my knife.

TO each his own.
Too right.

Skam

 

[noss4]

Did the Ka-Bar tang have square shoulders?

(Moreover, not all users, or more than a tiny minority, are deliberatly trying to destroy a knife.)

The Knife was the K-Bar USMC. the tang bent during batoning then broke a little later in the test.

The USMC is weak at this location. trying to baton a 4x4 I had to hit the handle to complete the job. The k-bar heavy bowie also has a narrow but thicker tang as well but with a 9" blade you don't have to baton the handle to split large diameter wood.

On similar size knives I have tested the Bushman,Strider Bt, Buck nighthawk, Cold steel GI Tanto and the falk A1 were all batoned on the handle to split the 4x4 and they all have no problem with this. You could do this all day on these knives without fear of breakage.

 

[psy-ops]

I am Noss4 fan! Keep it up.

Noss, I 'd love to see a CRKT AUS 8 knife tested. While you are here.

 

[Fiddleback]

And that difference would be ?

Obvious. It is obviously different to say stick tangs are not weak and to also say, simultaneously and with no contradiction, that the stick tang is not as strong as a full bar of steel.

Clearly, a stick tang would be weaker than a full tang. It's a simple matter of physics. To argue that is silly.

Nobody has made the point that you're counterpointing. Again.

And batonning a knife on the handle area is probably just plain old bad judgement. If thats what you would do with your most important tool in a survival situation, then you're knowledge (obviously vast) of knives and physics isn't going to get you very far IMO. Even a full tanged knife with scales is likely to get damaged this way. The steel will probably survive (because its very strong as you've noted) but the handle would likely be destroyed or at the least damaged. Hey, when you're done, lash it to a stick, climb up a waterfall, and go hunting with Bear Grylls.

 

[tarmix101]

I simply choose one good tool for all the tasks I expect a knife to accomplish and I dont have to worry about ruining my knife.

TO each his own.
Too right.

Skam

I don't believe that at all. You're telling us that a knife that you would choose for self defense is the same knife you would take with you back packing??? No such thing. The saying "the right tool for the job" comes to mind.

 

[Ebbtide]

What were the design parameters for the Kabar & how many years ago were they determined?

Comparing the Kabar to the SPB's of today is like comparing a Kubelwagon to a Jetta.

If one feels the need to carry a SPB, more power to them.
That doesn't make a stick tang, 'old school' knife any worse.
It just isn't a SPB.

This is the classic bf apples vs onions debate.
You can eat them both, the flavor is a matter of taste.

 

[longbow50]

What were the design parameters for the Kabar & how many years ago were they determined?

Comparing the Kabar to the SPB's of today is like comparing a Kubelwagon to a Jetta.

If one feels the need to carry a SPB, more power to them.
That doesn't make a stick tang, 'old school' knife any worse.
It just isn't a SPB.

This is the classic bf apples vs onions debate.
You can eat them both, the flavor is a matter of taste.

:thumbup: Yup, that strikes the ol stick tang right on the pommel.

 

[Thomas Linton]

I don't believe that at all. You're telling us that a knife that you would choose for self defense is the same knife you would take with you back packing??? No such thing. The saying "the right tool for the job" comes to mind.

(emphasis added).
Do you really know this man to say he is posting falsely?

If you meant that you do not agree, that's another situation entirely. However, the Ghurkas carry a khukuri as a tool of all work and have been know to hurt people with it as well.

And yes, we have members, including myself on occasion, who backpack with khukuri.

Skam is more doing his SAR work than backpacking as such.

Let's try to keep this civil.

 

[David E]

Fiddleback and Tarmix:

I don't understand your hostility, much less the uncivility you both display in this thread.

I simply made the point that a stick tang in NOT as strong as a FULL tang. It's inherently weaker, due to less material being present. If it's still "strong enough" for YOU, then that's great. I covered that twice already.....

I can only conclude my "serious use" defintion isn't the same as yours.

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[tarmix101]

(emphasis added).
Do you really know this man to say he is posting falsely?

Let's try to keep this civil.

Point taken Thomas.

Fiddleback and Tarmix:

I don't understand your hostility, much less the uncivility you both display in this thread.

I apologize for coming accost as uncivil, and hostile. Reading though my posts it seems as thought I was. I am able to disagree without being an A$$.

My apologies to both Skammer and David E.

 

[Fiddleback]

Fiddleback and Tarmix:

I don't understand your hostility, much less the uncivility you both display in this thread.

My apologies as well. The knife community is diverse, and that is good.:thumbup:

 

[Gossman Knives]

An important issue is whether there is a square shoulder where the tang meets the blade. The corners should be radiused to maximize strength.

This is the bottom line with a hidden/stick tang. 90 degree shoulders are weaker then rounded ones. Tang heated or not, if it is heat treated and tempered properly, it will be stronger then left un-heat treated. It can also have the full hardness drawen back for more flexibility. If not HTed, it will bend easily. Once steel bends it becomes weak. If you bend it back true, it will more then likely fail later down the road. Older Carbon V Cold Steel knives are HTed at the blade/tang junction about 2 inches toward the back of the tang. After that, the tang is unheat treated.
Scott