Steel test results

To add further confusion [or clarification] cross reference charts may list the nearest comparible alloy not necessarily the same . So Bohler Stahl lists their W500 as DIN 1.2714, the reference chart says ~ L-6, ~ SKT4 [that is approximate to].
 
Nothing like industry standardization, eh? If there's one thing that has been brought to my attention in the last year or so, it is that the best laid plans are for nought if 'men' are expected to maintain their part of the deal. Granted, I had hoped that this BS was relegated to my industry (which can only be described as reprehensible as well as downright criminal!), but I guess I need to broaden my scope to encompass damn near everything, no?

Next thing you guys are gonna tell me is there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy... and we never put a guy on the moon!

I'm going back into a dark corner of the basement and gnaw at my regret now...
 
Well, what could they say?
I hope JCaswell gets the 1075/1080 checked. I have some and I'd like to know what's in it. :)
 
I was hoping maybe they'd come in and apologize for an obvious error on their part and offer to replace the steel with the real thing, complete with chemical analysis, that they stand behind their product 110%, etc... You know, the things customers want to hear. The things that keep people from vowing to themselves not to buy from them again...
 
Wulf said:
I was hoping maybe they'd come in and apologize for an obvious error on their part and offer to replace the steel with the real thing, complete with chemical analysis, that they stand behind their product 110%, etc... You know, the things customers want to hear. The things that keep people from vowing to themselves not to buy from them again...
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That would be nice. :D
 
Admiral should be ashamed.. if i was Admiral i wouldnt respond to this thread either. i mean the only thing thats even remote similar to their chart is the Si.. i wonder what 15n20 contains, i bet its spot on
 
Admiral has responded to us about bigger problems than this before, so it may still happen. Terry Summers, the manager for knifesteels, has been pretty cool in the past. "AdmiralSteel" is his username; a search indicated his last time online was June 2004. I don't know if he is still there or not.
 
I'm sure Terry is still with Admiral, he's always at the Blade Show with a table and has been easy to get ahold of in the past either by phone or email. He most likely doesn't know about this thread.
 
Don, I sent an email to "sales@admiralsteel.com" a day or two ago informing them of this thread.
 
I'll do so. Thanks Fitzo. I just think Admiral should be given an opportunity to respond.
 
I think that's wise, too, Wulf. Usually by now someone friendly with someone on the inside will have contacted them and alerted them to the thread so they can respond. I hate to say it, but this would not be the first time that the sales desk hasn't passed something on to the boss. In Terry Summer's case, he is on record as saying "feel free to contact me direct with any questions". That's why I dug up his email address for you.

I hope Terry can make good on it. As I said, he has been pretty cool about problems in the past.
 
Wulf, did you contact Terry Summers directly regarding this thread?
 
I did. He replied to me on Friday, thanked me for the heads up, and indicated that he would be "getting on the forum early next week."
 
Phillip Patton said:
I hope JCaswell gets the 1075/1080 checked. I have some and I'd like to know what's in it. :)
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Well Here's what I learned (Thanks again Matt!):
sample #1 C 0.71
Mn 0.67
P 0.007
S 0.004
Si 0.18
Cu 0.02
Ni 0.01
Cr 0.03
Mo 0.00

sample#2 C 0.69
Mn 0.069
P 0.006
S 0.002
Si 0.19
Cu 0.02
Ni 0.02
Cr 0.18
Mo 0.00
Sample #1 was 1/2 inch "1075" CR
Sample #2 was 1/8 inch "1075" CR
I suppose these are within specs for today. My old ASM book says carbon should e .75-.86, but that was then (1977). I suppose I should get 1095, and then I'll have something like 1086!
 
Wulf said:
I did. He replied to me on Friday, thanked me for the heads up, and indicated that he would be "getting on the forum early next week."
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Thanks for the update, Wulf. :)
 
JCaswell said:
Well Here's what I learned (Thanks again Matt!):
sample #1 C 0.71
Mn 0.67
P 0.007
S 0.004
Si 0.18
Cu 0.02
Ni 0.01
Cr 0.03
Mo 0.00

sample#2 C 0.69
Mn 0.069
P 0.006
S 0.002
Si 0.19
Cu 0.02
Ni 0.02
Cr 0.18
Mo 0.00
Sample #1 was 1/2 inch "1075" CR
Sample #2 was 1/8 inch "1075" CR
I suppose these are within specs for today. My old ASM book says carbon should e .75-.86, but that was then (1977). I suppose I should get 1095, and then I'll have something like 1086!
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Interesting. Thanks for posting!
Now someone needs to get some 1095 tested...
 
fitzo said:
Admiral has responded to us about bigger problems than this before, so it may still happen. Terry Summers, the manager for knifesteels, has been pretty cool in the past. "AdmiralSteel" is his username; a search indicated his last time online was June 2004. I don't know if he is still there or not.
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Wulf said:
For what it's worth, I emailed "sales@admiralsteel.com" and provided a link to this thread. I'm sure they would welcome the opportunity to respond, and I, for one, would be very interested to see their response (as I'm sure would many others following this thread).
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Wulf said:
No response from Admiral... shame...
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you'll get better results from terry if you contact him not the sale department
that part of the steel company I'm sure don't care much about it. Terry is the Blade end of the company. if I am correct...
terry@admiralsteel.com
he's going to confront this hopefully today or tomorrow.
it sure helps to know the right numbers to contact..

you see if you can't get results if you just rely on others to do it for you.
numbers can be wrong, worker screw up, suppliers screw up,
like Mete is trying to say it's not standard and gets to be pass the buck.
like said form a known steel test it to be sure if you have problems find out why..with the right contacts, I sure like to give a benefit of dought where due if given half a chance..my 2 cents..

edited to add after nit picking this over I see you got ahold of Terry
I just found this thread
he emailed me today after I emailed him about this problem today
he said to me today or tomorrow, he'd post..about it.
 
Guys For some reason Terry can't post,h
e was logged on but a V bulletin would come up and not letting him do so ?? I think it's something to do with bounced E-mail anyway
he called a few min's ago and I offered to post what he has in reply..he e-mailed to me and here it is..



4/27/06

Recently a posting reference to an analysis of L-6 steels from various
sources that was made indicated a divergence from spec of L-6 being
furnished by Admiral Steel. When this reference was brought to our
attention we immediately started checking into this situation. Upon
reviewing all past purchases with our supplier we found the following-

Over 6 years ago, after long searching for a L-6 source in a flat rolled
product available in small quantities, we were referred to a small
distributor in the Pacific Northwest. After several communications with
them, we were offered L-6 steel in one size. With the small quantity we
needed we did not ask for nor received certs for the material. After the
recent alert, we requested certs from our supplier. We were sent certs
for a 8670 MOD steel. Immediately upon follow up questioning we found
that our supplier was getting the steel from a saw blade manufacturer in
the Pacific Northwest. When he originally talked to these people about
our steel request he referenced L-6 steel and they referenced "saw
blade steel" (which L-6 is widely used for). When we started buying the
steel we and our immediate supplier thought we were buying L-6 steel
while his supplier was furnishing "saw blade steel" (the 8670).

The spec for 8670 MOD is C.63/.75 MN.40/.60 P.025 S.025 Si.20/.30
CR.30/.50 Mo.05/.10 Ni .70/1.00

The AISI spec for L-6 is C.65/.75 MN.25/.80 CR.60/1.2 Ni 1.25/2.00
Mo .05/.10
These specs are very similar.

We sincerely apologize for this situation. This steel was one of a very few
items we deal with that is such a small volume item that it was not noted
that we were not receiving certs with deliveries. We did not have one
complaint about the steel we furnished in the 6 years we were distributing
it. We will immediately cease showing L-6 as a grade we carry. We will
issue full credit to anyone wanting to return any of this steel. Admiral Steel
has been in business dealing with specialty steels for 55 years. I have been
here for 42 of these years and have never run into a situation like this before.

Also in answer to some questions concerning 1095 steel. As shown on our
price sheet and web site we offer HR 1095 in 1/8" - 3/16" - 1/4". It is plain
HR (hot rolled) NOT Annealed. The hardness can run from R/C 20 to 40 or
so depending on the mill rolling. The CRA is a cold rolled product that is
fully annealed with a clean smooth finish which runs about R/B 85/92 -
much softer than the HR. We can furnish the HR in the annealed condition
which would be higher in price. We can furnish full mill certifications on all
our 1095 steels. With the elimination of L-6 we can furnish certs on any
steel bought from Admiral. I would request anyone having any questions
about or problems with any steel purchased from Admrial Steel contact me
at 800-323-7055 and it will be taken care of Pronto ''

Thank you

Terry Summers
Admiral Steel
 
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