Strider fakes!

[like em sharp]

No reason to duck here. As an honest veteran who spent a couple of years under the gun way back before they invented yellow ribbons I have strong opinions about stolen valor. It just happens that this thread is about fake knives not military histories. Besides, it's not about stolen designs but a copy with the original designer's logo on it. That makes it a fake.

You have strongly held opinions, I respect that.

But people will differ in their worldviews, and you don't need to attack them directly. You called Turbo Tension a liar and a thief (you insinuated that he would knowingly sell a fake product as a real one to defraud people) without knowing anything about him beyond the fact that he holds different viewpoints from you. He doesn't have any problems buying from Chinese companies, even if they copy designs (perfectly legal in China to produce these knives, BTW).

As you said, "man up". There's no reason to attack people personally.

 

[Thomas W]

So... people who steal designs vs. someone known to have lied repeatedly about military service and a convicted criminal.

/ducks head

Keep on topic like em sharp. :thumbdn:

why does a real Strider have to cost $400?

Start a brand, invest in the business, maintain it, market it, start making folders, and tell us how much money you want to charge per unit.

 

[scouter27]

Start a brand, invest in the business, maintain it, market it, start making folders, and tell us how much money you want to charge per unit.

Exactly. What is your time worth to you? The Chinese machinists are probably not making anywhere near US minimum wage, and they didn't have to take any time working out the design, they just had to invest in a single SMF to copy, and maybe not even that. The price of a real Strider comes from the time of the designer, the time of all the people involved in making it (grinding, heat treatment etc.), the materials used and the equipment used. When you start chopping those things down mass producing copies you can start to drop the price.

Just so we are clear, I have no problem with the Chinese making a knife similar to a Strider and selling it for what it is. Like I've said elsewhere (and maybe here), If they have the technical ability to do this, they could easily make a good Ti frame lock with a similar design and NOT mark it with the FWP logo. I'd probably buy one at $100 if it was an original design with similar workmanship.

But they don't, so eff 'em.

 

[gooeytek]

I'm just strictly looking at it from a consumer's standpoint. For the price, even if they stamped "KNOCKOFF STRIDER" on the blade, I would still buy and use it.

 

[00ChevyScott]

I wonder what the weight differences are between the fake and the real one?

 

[Robert.B]

I wonder more if strider has been outsourcing, tweaking them in the US, and saying they're US made...they seem a little too close, so I personally would like to see a side by side comparison.

With the current economy, you never know what people do to keep afloat.

 

[scouter27]

I wonder more if strider has been outsourcing, tweaking them in the US, and saying they're US made...they seem a little too close, so I personally would like to see a side by side comparison.

With the current economy, you never know what people do to keep afloat.

Do you make the same assertion about CRK? The Sebenza knock off is even more accurate.

 

[GronK]

You have strongly held opinions, I respect that.

But people will differ in their worldviews, and you don't need to attack them directly. You called Turbo Tension a liar and a thief (you insinuated that he would knowingly sell a fake product as a real one to defraud people) without knowing anything about him beyond the fact that he holds different viewpoints from you. He doesn't have any problems buying from Chinese companies, even if they copy designs (perfectly legal in China to produce these knives, BTW).

As you said, "man up". There's no reason to attack people personally.

Again, there is a big difference between copying designs and producing a fake with company logos and all. As for the morality issue, an old story I once heard tells the tale:
He: Would you go home with me for a million dollars?
She: Well, for a cool million yeah, I would.
He: How about for twenty dollars?
She: What do you think I am?
He: We've already determined that. We're just bickering over the price now.

 

[Tyronethepro]

I'll be honest, this almost impresses me, but at the same time it makes me angry. Its nice a company can put out that quality, but to rip off someone's designs just infuriates me. I would have been fooled, it looks like a really good copy, why not just put out your own designs?

 

[Robert.B]

Do you make the same assertion about CRK? The Sebenza knock off is even more accurate.

Its been brought up on here before.

 

[espnazi]

I wonder more if strider has been outsourcing, tweaking them in the US, and saying they're US made...they seem a little too close, so I personally would like to see a side by side comparison.

With the current economy, you never know what people do to keep afloat.

No, there are small differences plus making them in china out of the blade steels strider uses would not be the cheapest thing to do since China has some sort of importation tax on some foreign steels. Also in another forum a member says he knows about the maker of these knives. He says the maker/manufacturer is supposedly a Strider fan and he also said that these knives are not meant for the US market.

Do you make the same assertion about CRK? The Sebenza knock off is even more accurate.

The sebenza Knock off is not more accurate in fact just from pictures there are several things wrong. Only the Striders seem to be almost visually exact.

 

[kawr]

Do you make the same assertion about CRK? The Sebenza knock off is even more accurate.

Anyone who has seen a real Sebenza could tell you the Sebenza knock offs are just wrong. The Strider knock off was so accurate that even Mick Strider admits he could only tell it was a fake from an erroneous stamping.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

I love how the people who don't own (probably never even touched) Striders knives are the ones that are so quick to comment on them.


Seriously, hilarious.

 

[Robert.B]

I love how the people who don't own (probably never even touched) Striders knives are the ones that are so quick to comment on them.


Seriously, hilarious.

Handled both fixed and folding model Striders at a few gun shows, also the buck collabs...I like the SMF, but the price tag puts me off.

 

[edcrefiner]

Honestly, my first thoughts after seeing this was to pick one up and see how long I could go on carrying it until he realized it wasn't the real deal. However, ethically it is probably not the right thing to do imo, especially for a clone this exact. However, if this thing was SRM pricing I would push aside those ethics and have that thing at my door ASAP

 

[Metal Made Fox]

Holy shiz-nitz! That's a very realistic looking fake.

Scum bag, counterfeiters should all be thrown in prison.

 

[Tsujigiri]

I'll be honest, this almost impresses me, but at the same time it makes me angry. Its nice a company can put out that quality, but to rip off someone's designs just infuriates me. I would have been fooled, it looks like a really good copy, why not just put out your own designs?

My thoughts exactly. If they can build titanium framelocks, it seems odd that they haven't tried to make a legitimate business with them. Then again, maybe they're horrible quality for the price? Haven't heard from anyone here who has one.

I love how the people who don't own (probably never even touched) Striders knives are the ones that are so quick to comment on them.


Seriously, hilarious.

Maybe there's a reason why some people choose not to own Striders. Obviously the people who own them will give them positive reviews because they don't want to think they've been ripped off; and people who think they're a waste of money won't have one because they don't want to waste money. Just because you don't own something doesn't mean your opinion on it isn't valid. If that was the case, you wouldn't be able to say that the guy who tried to sell a glass sword on Pawn Stars had an idiotic product, because you don't own one. Not sure where you get the assumption that everyone with a negative opinion has never been near a Strider, but I know I'm not the only one who's opted out after seeing one in person.

 

[1966c10]

I love how the people who don't own (probably never even touched) Striders knives are the ones that are so quick to comment on them.


Seriously, hilarious.

I've never owned one. Why? Because it felt like an abortion in my hand. I also didn't like the short length of cutting surface for a knife of that overall size and the blade's geometry (while stout) doesn't correspond to the cutting performance I desire in a pocket knife. I also think their version of the frame lock needs a redesign.

I understand the factors that lead to its price, so I don't feel Strider is overpriced. But I feel the knife is flawed in concept and execution. i.e. a waste of money.

I'm not sure why I'm defending an opinion, but I hope that clarifies it for you.

 

[Dagon]

If I could score a fake for less than $100 and try out the ergos

This I don't understand. $100 can buy you a very decent brand knife, and you'd rather have a fake made by totally unknown counterfeiters whose basic interest is never to make a high quality product, but simply to make money?
For that money you can buy for example a Spyderco Sage, which is put together with incredible perfectionism. A quality product from a quality brand. And you'd rather be carrying something fake for that money?

 

[gentlenado]

fake knife has nothing to do with their design ability or desire of cost control. They make fake knives because someone want to buy them. Why people rather buy counterfeit? Because they can't afford a real one. That simple.