Strider let down

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ridethepony14 said:
When I sent it back I requested that they pick out a model with early lockup and good centering. It wouldn't bother me as much if it was a $100 knife but this was $400 of my hard earned money. And to those bashing strider, I've seen lots of vids where people say that striders fit and finish has improved dramatically over the years and their new lockup is great. I must've just got a bad one of the bunch. I'll be happy as long as I get a better replacement.
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I am sure you get a better one, it's unfortunate when something like this happens and I feel your pain.
 
It seems sebenza has way way fewer "slip ups" and are in the same price range. I agree knives that cost 300$ and higher should have better quality control.
 
So with regards to the video above, the maker mentions Sebenza, and how the lockbar will "dive all the way to the other side of the scale" when a Sebenza is opened. Of course I am sure Sebenzas are vastly different in make (I don't own one of these either) but assuming a liner/framelock knife should allow for a certain amount of self-correction by sliding further over with wear... isn't this a bad thing? He said it like a very positive thing so I am confused.
 
RedLynx said:
So with regards to the video above, the maker mentions Sebenza, and how the lockbar will "dive all the way to the other side of the scale" when a Sebenza is opened. Of course I am sure Sebenzas are vastly different in make (I don't own one of these either) but assuming a liner/framelock knife should allow for a certain amount of self-correction by sliding further over with wear... isn't this a bad thing? He said it like a very positive thing so I am confused.
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The tang of the blade would have to wear out before the lockbar would travel further. It is CRK's different approach for a frame lock... or "the" initial approach considering the Reeve Integral lock. The lockbar of a strider or hinderer are not bent as to travel all the way across so they are relying on their blade tang grinds and less of a lockbar tension to keep enough pressure to secure the knife. He is explaining that because of the grinds and angles Strider's use it doesn't compare well to the other two makers.

I bought a Strider because of how it looks. I knew about the quality control issues and then heard about the new lock bar *reason I bought a 2nd* and well, for me it didn't hold up.

Still like the way the knife looks.
 
Thanks for that, although I confess I still don't understand the differences 100%...

I have heard that the grinds on Striders are mostly haphazard and uneven by design.
 
Besides the super solid lock up and the off center blade that doesn't actually effect anything, how did you like the knife? Sick right?
 
Still,for a 400.00 knife, there should not be this issue,there should be some kind of final inspection to catch that badly offcenter blade and late lockup,should have at least be seen by knifeart efore shipping it ...
 
Too expensive for what you get, and the owner of the company has zero integrity. It amazes me that people still pay what they pay for Striders. I have a close friend that is into Striders, has a half dozen of them, and you can't convince him that they aren't the end all be all knife.
 
goldie said:
Still,for a 400.00 knife, there should not be this issue,there should be some kind of final inspection to catch that badly offcenter blade and late lockup,should have at least be seen by knifeart efore shipping it ...
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They did see it before shipping. You know what the person said? "It's a Strider, did you expect CRK quality?" Now he/she will be doing extra work by trying to find a perfect one when it should be the other way around. They shouldn't have to look to find a perfect one.

Reason I put CRK is because I have 6 folders and all perfect to my standards which are high. I owned 2 Hinderer's and the only issue for me was the weak detent which I hear is for fast opening by wrist flicking it. Makes sense if they are made for LEO's mainly or it could be a good "excuse" for weak detent... which is no excuse if it wasn't designed that way.
 
RedLynx said:
So, serious question: in the first pic, what is the problem? I don't own a Strider and that looks like a very thick liner lock, it looks like the entirety of the lock goes right under the blade... not good? I can't tell because most of my liner locking knives are much thinner (and don't go over that far, but I figure, maybe that's what you want in a Strider.)
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As stated the lockbar is all the way to the presentation side, no room for wear. The very next thing that is possible is to experience the lock rock wiggling. Being a frame lock and not a liner lock (there is a difference) both lock styles can have similar problems. I have an old SnG with all kinds of lock rock, and I have not even put that knife though any sort of hard use. I have not bothered to send it in because I'd imagine it would probably come back with a giant stop pin cover rendering the knife lopsided looking. A while back fans claimed that Strider had improved their lock geometry reducing the instances of this lock rock, yet it is still not as much of an improvement as it should be for the money these things cost.
I would imagine the same principles can be applied to a frame lock as to a liner lock. According to Emerson knives, the lock face and the locking bar/frame should NOT be parallel. My SnG has a very parallel lock face. The XM-18 knives I have do not exhibit the same movement, and based on my own experience they are a better designed and built knife. There is no lock rock in any of the ones I own and those knives have seen some extended use.

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RedLynx said:
Gotcha. I should have realized, having several liner locks, but I didn't know it had this "self-correcting" feature. Cool.

Has anyone here completely worn out a liner lock in a matter of years, etc?
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I wouldn't exactly call it self correcting, rather designed for wear over time. It is what keeps your knife functional over years of opening and closing.
 
Good explanation, nice visual aid.
RevDevil said:
As stated the lockbar is all the way to the presentation side, no room for wear. The very next thing that is possible is to experience the lock rock wiggling. Being a frame lock and not a liner lock (there is a difference) both lock styles can have similar problems. I have an old SnG with all kinds of lock rock, and I have not even put that knife though any sort of hard use. I have not bothered to send it in because I'd imagine it would probably come back with a giant stop pin cover rendering the knife lopsided looking. A while back fans claimed that Strider had improved their lock geometry reducing the instances of this lock rock, yet it is still not as much of an improvement as it should be for the money these things cost.
I would imagine the same principles can be applied to a frame lock as to a liner lock. According to Emerson knives, the lock face and the locking bar/frame should NOT be parallel. My SnG has a very parallel lock face. The XM-18 knives I have do not exhibit the same movement, and based on my own experience they are a better designed and built knife. There is no lock rock in any of the ones I own and those knives have seen some extended use.

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I wouldn't exactly call it self correcting, rather designed for wear over time. It is what keeps your knife functional over years of opening and closing.
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RevDevil said:
As stated the lockbar is all the way to the presentation side, no room for wear. The very next thing that is possible is to experience the lock rock wiggling. Being a frame lock and not a liner lock (there is a difference) both lock styles can have similar problems. I have an old SnG with all kinds of lock rock, and I have not even put that knife though any sort of hard use. I have not bothered to send it in because I'd imagine it would probably come back with a giant stop pin cover rendering the knife lopsided looking. A while back fans claimed that Strider had improved their lock geometry reducing the instances of this lock rock, yet it is still not as much of an improvement as it should be for the money these things cost.
I would imagine the same principles can be applied to a frame lock as to a liner lock. According to Emerson knives, the lock face and the locking bar/frame should NOT be parallel. My SnG has a very parallel lock face. The XM-18 knives I have do not exhibit the same movement, and based on my own experience they are a better designed and built knife. There is no lock rock in any of the ones I own and those knives have seen some extended use.

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I wouldn't exactly call it self correcting, rather designed for wear over time. It is what keeps your knife functional over years of opening and closing.
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Didn't have any issues with the 5 Smf's that I owned either, all sold off currently.
 
It is so sad this issue consistently appears for a $400 knife. Out of curiosity I purchased a Reate Horison A with M 390 blade and the machining and attention to detail was incredidable for a start up manufacturer from China. This Reate blows my former SNG out of the water for fit and finish, and cost $100 dollars less. How does CRK and Hinderer consistently turn out a lock up without Strider lockbar problems?

Hope your knife gets fixed and remains dependable.
 
At least you can send it back wherever it is. I owned a lot of Strider knives (and still do), custom and production. My *favorite* one is previous generation and it has any kind of lock rock. Vertical, horizontal, diagonal :) It's encyclopedia of lock rocks basically. So the lock is a piece of crap but it's here because of awesome custom regrind. I can't use the warranty to send it back to fix the lock (a dozen of SNGs of previous generation I saw developed it with time). I'm yet to understand how blade regrind affects the crappy lock but anyway. It's better with new lock geometry (or is it just improved QC?) so I hope you'll enjoy when you get it back!
 
Ankerson said:
Cost doesn't matter, things happen, nothing can be 100% all of the time, that's straight across the board in any kind of manufacturing, things can and do slip by now and then........Manufacturers operate on percentages, that is a fact of life and how things are done.
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You and Gronk are both right. I think there is more resentment though when it's a product that is notoriously high priced and of mixed rep like a Strider.
 
I bought a smf lego from knifeart. It develoved lock rock in the first 2 weeks. Didn't have enough lock bar tension. Came back from strider in great shape.
I had a PT that I purchased from an jndividual. It was 8 great shape and I never had any issues. I loved that knife and I am still very sad I had to sell it.
I had a SMF CC that I really liked. It had the old styee lockup. It was a great knife.
I had a SnG tanto that I never had a problem with. Didn't like the CC handle on the SnG though.

Striders are great knives, I haven't found another knife with the ergonomics of the strider. I'm on the hunt for another one now.

I'm confident that if something does go wrong with it, they will make it right.


CRKs just aren't my style.
 
EChoil said:
You and Gronk are both right. I think there is more resentment though when it's a product that is notoriously high priced and of mixed rep like a Strider.
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That and they are an easy target because they are expensive and people tend to pile on for various reasons.

All of the more expensive knives are for the most part a target here as we have seen over the years, there will always be those who will troll against them.

Basically they are what they are, and they cost what they do and that's just the way it is, and they sell a ton of them and have for a very long time now, a couple of decades.

Some people just need to find a different cause or reason to post. LOL
 
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