Strider & Spyderco....

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squid meat

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Before everyone gets their stuff all bunched up, I ain't out to flame or troll.

Just one question:

Between the Strider SnG and the Spyderco Manix, which lock would (could) be "rated" stronger ?

The SnG is a framelock, the Mainx is a lockback. Both are super knives that get plenty of carry time from me.

I did do a search but all I found was stuff on the Manix MBC rating, nothing on SnG.

Stinky
 
though both are excellent imho, i would go with the strider because its a custom and is gonna have more attention to detail than a production, but both are great.
 
Here are a few comments by Mick on the Buck/Striders:
Mick Strider said:
Greetings...
Just a few quick notes; lock failure testing (whack test) showed numbers never less than six hundred pounds often over eight hundred. Significantly over. Bumpstop failure (over opening) never under two thousand pounds.

Regarding Tanto tip. Yep...it is not a primary cutting edge. It is designed for tip strength above cutting ease. Simply because it is so short, (approximately one inch).

Ill look up these details as they are not exact, and post them later.

Ever Vigilant

MS
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I think the numbers compare favorably to the Manix, which has Spyderco's MBC rating. The SnG has a larger pivot, thicker lockbar, and uses two bumpstops, so I would imagine it would be at least as strong. Liner and framelocks are theoretically more susceptible to disengagement under extreme torques applied to the blade, but I have never heard of such occurrances on Strider framelocks.
 
Sounds like both could handle the amount of pressure my grip could apply to the handle. ;)

David
 
The lockback on the Manix will have more ultimate strength than the frame lock.

I agree with everyone else though, the level of strength involved here is well into the realm of the absurd.

Reliability is far more important and unless you actually get a defective model, you won't experience a failure with either. :cool:
 
that I highly doubt that I'll get into a situation where these kind of numbers are reached, I was just curious if there were any numbers out there in cyberland for comparison.


Thanks
 
Strength isn't the issue, it is accidental release, or partial engagement which is particular to liner and integrals. If the liner is moved to the right which is easily possible under torques, the lock strength plumets to nothing and it can be broken readily. This isn't an issue with the Manix.

Have you heard of problems, I heard of none with the Buck/Strider either until I broke one and then Mick admitted it was a problem. He also refused to answer the questions of are the customs just as problematic and do they have the security of the Manix, hardly inspiring confidence.

The blade on the Strider is however much stronger than the Manix as it is way thicker, for that reason the Manix has many times over the cutting ability.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
The blade on the Strider is however much stronger than the Manix as it is way thicker, for that reason the Manix has many times over the cutting ability.
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According to the Spyderco listing, the blade on the Manix is 5/32" or 4 mm thick. Acording to my measurement, my Strider Sng blade is 4/32" thick.

I don't see why the Manix should outcut my SnG.
 
Essev, what is the blade grind on the Sng? I know the Manix is flat with a 1.5-1.7mm wide secondary bevel.
 
The SnG is a full flat grind like the Manix. The secondary bevel on mine looks like 1.3 mm by eye.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
According to the Spyderco listing, the blade on the Manix is 5/32" or 4 mm thick. Acording to my measurement, my Strider Sng blade is 4/32" thick.

I don't see why the Manix should outcut my SnG.
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The SNG has the same very wide blade, full distal taper to a very fine point, and the edge is ground as thin and acute as the Manix? Specifially on the one I have the edge runs from 0.020-0.022" and is ground at 10-12 degrees per side. The Strider folders are only 1/8" thick, or is that just the SNG?

-Cliff
 
My Strider SnG blade is 1/8" thick. If you'd like to send me the equipment you use to measure all these angles, I'll see what I can do with it. Otherwise we are stuck with what I can measure with my metal rulers.

You stated the Strider was way thicker than the Manix. It is not. It is thinner.
 
It depends on what you term "out cut or many times over cutting ability". In many instances the thinner blades cut or slice better than a comparable thicker blade that is otherwise the same size, grind and shape. Are they as strong? Probably not but they certainly slice good. They may need sharpening sooner than the thicker ones also but that is the pay off for easier slicing.

For this very reason I prefer a 3/32 blade thickness for my Whittlejack folder that I make. That nice thin Wharncliff blade just works better than a 1/8, 5/32, or 3/16" blade would for the task it is designed to do; whittle.

But the grind has a lot to do with this also. A hollow grind blade may sharpen a pencil just fine but for whittling it is about worthless compared to a nice flat grind or even a convex. The only hollow grinds I've used for this task are ones that had a convexed edge bevel but even they didn't work as well as a flat grind traditional blade.

I think kitchen knives are thin for a reason. They simply work better being thinner for delicate slicing and cutting of all food prep tasks. You don't see many kitchen knives over 1/8" thick. I bet there isn't one over that thickness in my whole kitchen and many of those knives would suffice well in the field as well as in the kitchen.
 
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

Carry what you want, don't look for approval from the masses!
 
I don't think there is anyone here on this thread that gives a rats a#$ about public approval from the masses.

Actually it is probably more likely the opposite. Does it turn you on to hear a gasp when you pull out your knife and/or open your knife in public or does it bother you?

Most that frequently post here probably like it when they get a mild reaction out of people rather than be bothered by it. Although some do worry about the public view and carry something more well recieved than the knives we are speaking of.

Crocodile Dundee syndrome: Thats a knife! Seems to be the prevailing windfall here to me.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
My Strider SnG blade is 1/8" thick. If you'd like to send me the equipment you use to measure all these angles, I'll see what I can do with it. Otherwise we are stuck with what I can measure with my metal rulers.

You stated the Strider was way thicker than the Manix. It is not. It is thinner.
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All you need is a pair of calipers, you can get these in any hardware store. There is more to cutting ability than blade stock, taper, blade width, edge thickness and angle, etc. . Not to mention that the Manix has a *much* more secure lock, much more ergonomic handle, same steel, and is only a fraction of the price of the SnG. Plus customer service is many times higher at Spyderco.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
All you need is a pair of calipers,
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All I need is a pair of calipers for what? To answer your questions? :D

Cliff Stamp said:
... the Manix has a *much* more secure lock, much more ergonomic handle, same steel, and is only a fraction of the price of the SnG. Plus customer service is many times higher at Spyderco.
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This is beginning to sound like "my daddy's car is faster than your daddy's car". If the Manix does have a more secure lock and better ergonomics, it is not by "much" because both knives are way up there in performance, and ergonomics is partially an individual matter anyway.

Here's the original question:
squid meat said:
Between the Strider SnG and the Spyderco Manix, which lock would (could) be "rated" stronger ?

The SnG is a framelock, the Manix is a lockback. Both are super knives that get plenty of carry time from me.

I did do a search but all I found was stuff on the Manix MBC rating, nothing on SnG.
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There's nothing wrong with extending the discussion once the original question's been settled -- in this case, that both are strong beyond any normal need -- but let's not get into the usual bashing with all the old arguments. It's been done to death recently. You don't like Strider, don't buy one.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
All I need is a pair of calipers for what?
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To measure the edge profile.

If the Manix does have a more secure lock and better ergonomics, it is not by "much" because both knives are way up there in performance, and ergonomics is partially an individual matter anyway.
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There is no if, integrals are *far* less secure under torques and dynamic cutting than lockbacks, they are not even in the same league.

In regards to strength, this is more hype than reality, outside of really cheap folders, it is very difficult to break a lock by cutting, getting liners and integrals to release is another matter however.

Ergonomics are also not a high point of Striders, Mick has even blatently stated this on the Strider forum. The handles are boxy and square.

-Cliff
 
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