Strider & Spyderco....

Mission accomplished, then. We've been orchestrating this entire discussion in order to get you personally to buy more knives :)
 
I had a feeling that this was some sort of giant conspiracy. And don’t think for a minute that I’ll be afraid to name names….. When the wife sees the credit card statement.

“Honey, it’s not my fault. Joe made me do it. Cliff made me buy it. The whole situation was beyond my personal control. They gave me no choice!!!”

You better hope that the stainless steel Dragonfly I ordered helps to grease the wheels a bit.
 
Just be sure when she starts tearing up Joe and Cliff that you tell her that I recommended against the Manix and wanted you to buy a cute, snuggly Strider SnG instead.
 
lol this is a great fockin thread. the manix is the new mega-steal. get one before spydie realizes how much they should have priced it.
 
Hey Buzzbait -- you did a great review of the Military, 710HS, and Large Sebenza. I think it would be great if after using it awhile you'd do a similarly thoughtful review of the Manix. :cool:

Tell your wife you had to get one to review it! ;)
 
Oh yes. That should go over well.

"Honey, honey. Deanimating Cliff and Joe goes beyond Spyderco's recommended usage policy. It would surely void the warranty. Esav recommends that we buy a far more expensive (and quite sexy looking) folder for proper deanimation. Besides, the Strider would match your shoes perfectly. A lovely ensemble."

Yep. That'll work.
 
Keith - You can bet on it. I'll probably include the newer model Military in the review also. I've been using it for quite some time.

After thinking this over, I also blame the Glesser family for this mess. They should have known not to build such a strong folder at that price point. And unlike Joe, Cliff and Esav, the wife knows what Sal looks like. She's studied the Sharpmaker video.
 
Great. Now I have to create a fictitious business, launder some money through it, and mail a check to myself. This is getting better and better.
 
I JUST ORDERED MY MANIX! Woo! And I paid for 3 day shipping I was so excited. MAn, the first thing I thought when I handled it at a knifeshop was 'this things at least as tough as a strider!' I don't think that means striders are way overpriced, but man did it feel like the Manix was underpriced. I think the Manix blows BM out of the water, and competes with strider now.
 
A fictitious business. Does the IRS know about this plot, on an open forum? Does the SEC? We have someone here who works for the SEC.

Buzzbait, not only was this entire thread orchestrated to get you to buyyy the Manixxx, but now my radio is singing your song:

Some people claim
that there’s a woman to blame
but I know
it’s my own damn fault
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The two lock types as produced by these two companies are overwhelmingly reliable. The last tiny gasp of reliability will be lost in the haze of any actual real-life conditions two specific knives and their owners might face.
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The Cuda Maxx I just bought has an Integral lock. Ralph has been making such locks for a long time and this one locks up tight, no play in any direction and the bar engages the tang halfway, under heavy cutting it moves towards 3/4 engagement. However it is trivial to cause the lock to disengage by torquing the handle. I chopped the Maxx into a piece of wood, batoned it a couple of times to set the blade and then twisted the knife to split the wood. This was just using wrist strength, the lock bar readily moved and the lock disengaged. This is not a problem with Ralph's knife personally, it is an issue with that type of lock in general. Integrals and liners do not have the security of lockbacks under torques.

-Cliff
 
STR said:
I can certainly agree that the liner lock and frame lock are inferior in strength to a good lock back.
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I believe that liner/frame locks are sometimes not as reliable but I see them as being stronger than lockbacks. Granted there are low quality locks of both kinds on the market, a liner/frame lock "blocks" the blade from closing where as a lockback has to "catch and hold" (pull) a blade from closing. When there is metal (Stainless Steel, Titanium,etc.) liners blocking a blade from closing, you know that the blade won't cut through. Enough pressure put on a blade in a lockback, would eventually sear the contact points of the lock and blade tang. Then again, both types of locks can be made incredibly strong but common logic shows the user that a liner could easily slip with just a bit of pressure. Personally, I prefer liner locks over all others (except automatics) just because I find them easy to open/close with one hand. And I always use fixed blades for "harsh" work. :)
 
Wunderbar said:
I believe that liner/frame locks are sometimes not as reliable but I see them as being stronger than lockbacks.
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Strength isn't an issue except on low end knives, the locks disengage in the vast majority of failures. However in terms of raw strength, Spyderco has tested high end integrals like the Sebenza, they didn't match let alone exceed the Spyderco lockbacks. The real problem with liner/integrals is shear cracking across the face in partial engagement, this reduces the strength massively.

-Cliff
 
If you're using a folder hard enough that it shears and cracks the material of the lock, you deserve to have it break on you, in my opinion. This is what fixed blades, or better yet, axes, hatchets and machetes, are for. Or sledgehammers.
 
Chiro75 said:
If you're using a folder hard enough that it shears and cracks the material of the lock, you deserve to have it break on you, in my opinion.
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Once the lock bar starts to disengage due to torque, only a fraction can be in contact with the lock, it takes little force to crack it then, not even full wrist strain. That is a lame standard of scope of work for a heavy duty tactical folder.

With the full thickness of the bar in contact with the lock, it takes a ridiculus amount of force to crack it. Nemo and Fred did a review of the Spyderco Military and Fred noted it was near impossible to break it by hand in a vice - this of course is *NOT* what is being discussed here.

It isn't raw strength, it is a security issue with torques which causes liners and integrals to disengage. The further they disengage the lower the strength drops, until they completely disengage and it drops down to zero as the lock collapses under no load.

And no you don't need to switch to a fixed blade, you just need to switch to a more secure lock, other people besides Strider make folders.

-Cliff
 
Believe you me Spydercos are not without their Q/C issues . I own both a Manix and an SNG , its not really fair to compare the two , different pricepoint etc . If I were to deploy to the sandbox , I'd take the SNG . That said , the Manix is a good bang for the buck . The SNG would be a lot easier to field maintain , lockbacks dont lock up well in dirty enviroments , they can even fail to lock from plain old pocket lint . I would never buy a Spyderco site unseen , so far I,ve had two too many lock failures with Spyderco's .
 
Lockbacks can fail to engage if the cutout gets contaminated, however this isn't difficult to clean and it is fairly obvious when you don't get engagement. I have never seen one engage and then fail due to contamination.

In general for folders you can also get crap around the piviot which can cause crevice corrosion, or just bacteria buildup and so on, this is a fairly serious problem for aggressivly textured grips in general as well, it takes a fair amount of scrubbing and water to get them clean.

Integrals are nice to break down because the lock is part of the handle which is a big part and easier to keep track of.

However the price arguement doesn't work, that is only valid if you are comparing two products and slamming the cheaper one for failing to meet the standards of the more expensive one, here you have two S30V blades with G10 grips and the more inexpensive one has a stronger and more secure lock.

-Cliff
 
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