stwesterner ********* Brandon Fleishman

I think it's good policy for sellers to accept returns (I always do), but I suppose it can't be expected.
 
brancron said:
I think it's good policy for sellers to accept returns (I always do), but I suppose it can't be expected.
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Agreed. And I think sellers should do everything possible up-front to minimize the chances a buyer would want a refund. Accurate descriptions of all aspects of the item are key. Simply saying NIB and nothing more is kind of setting yourself up for issues later on.
 
Gastonknife said:
I think you kind of answered why the method of payment is relevant in your statement.

I would agree with you on the other points you made.

Worth noting these are obviously production knives and not sure that anyone would expect perfect fit and finish. Would be nice if the OP posted a close-up picture of the details that concern him.

And yes OP, you are 100% wrong for posting in his sales threads. That absolutely is against the rules.
End result here - both parties are taking a rep hit through this. Without pics of the "issues" can't comment on the no refunds stance.
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It probably would have been nice for close ups but remember the op didn't ask for them either he bought the knife on what he saw. Now for the fit and finish your idea of good fit or finish might not be mine or vice versa. With that being said maybe to the seller that knife had good fit and finish and didn't think he needs to say anything because to him their was no fit and finish problem. The op has no grounds for a refund he should have asked more about the said knife.
 
Aside from the PayPal issue, what telecaster05 should do is buy from a retailer such as Amazon, BladeHQ, etc. if you want retail return policies. Personally, I would have given him a refund to move on & never deal with him again. telecaster05's expectations of buying pre-owned or used items, on a forum is NOT reasonable.
 
I think accurately described item's without being asked should be expected on a forum of knife knuts. That's not to say there's something wrong with the knife, but our expectations and standards are high, so to expect someone to be ok with defects isn't practical here either. Now without seeing detailed pics and description of the problem, we have no way to know how accurate the claim is against the seller. Even if he asked questions, if the seller can't recognize fit,finish and defects for a sales listing, then he isn't going to see the defects if asked to evaluate the item. Recognizing quality issues comes with experience with collecting. It really doesn't do either party any good to have a no return policy.
 
OP regardless of the sellers behavior you deserve an infraction for your asshatery, you've crapped on every thread stwesterner has posted sales or otherwise. That's a good way for members to not want to deal with you if you throw a fit that the mods have to clean up any time a sale doesn't go your way.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380958-Sog-tac-ST-03?p=15924517#post15924517
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1381090-Northfield-92-Eureka-Stag?p=15924508#post15924508
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380494-GEC-Queen-s-amp-m-Case-and-more?p=15924597#post15924597
This last one isn't even stwesterener's thread so now you're mucking up other peoples threads.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1381021-ZT-0770CF-M4-Benchmade-755-Kershaw-Leek-1660CBBW?p=15924513#post15924513
 
WOW................................Wonders never stop amazing ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Spinny said:
Craytab - PayPal allows claims for 180 days. So if you sold something to someone 5 months ago, and now that person wants a refund for whatever reason, you think that buyer should automatically be given one? In the case of the OP, I don't think the item was "not as described". The only description was "NIB". Plenty of "new" goods have fit and finish issues....

Filing a claim in this case I feel would constitute an abuse of PayPal's overwhelmingly buyer-friendly policies.

I do think that stwesterner likely has less-than-ideal customer service :rolleyes:
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What I think is completely irrelevant. When using paypal you agree to their terms. It is no mystery what they are. You check the "I agree" box. When you use paypal the correct and honest way the terms of the sale are dictated by paypal. If paypal says 180 days then 180 days it is. Remember, you agreed to it. If the buyer thinks the item is not as described, paypal will likely side with the buyer. Don't like that fact then don't use paypal. There are plenty of other ways to send/receive payment in a transaction.

Frankly it is a bit of a red flag for a seller to accept good payments because it shows they are willing to defraud paypal and not stand by their word.

10after10 said:
Aside from the PayPal issue, what telecaster05 should do is buy from a retailer such as Amazon, BladeHQ, etc. if you want retail return policies. Personally, I would have given him a refund to move on & never deal with him again. telecaster05's expectations of buying pre-owned or used items, on a forum is NOT reasonable.
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I would have given a refund too. And despite what any ad says, these are used knives. It can be risky buying used things over the internet. It is not for everyone. However there are some very easy things to know and do that can save you a bunch of hassle. Paypal goods only!
 
STAINLESS90 said:
OP regardless of the sellers behavior you deserve an infraction for your asshatery, you've crapped on every thread stwesterner has posted sales or otherwise. That's a good way for members to not want to deal with you if you throw a fit that the mods have to clean up any time a sale doesn't go your way.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380958-Sog-tac-ST-03?p=15924517#post15924517
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1381090-Northfield-92-Eureka-Stag?p=15924508#post15924508
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1380494-GEC-Queen-s-amp-m-Case-and-more?p=15924597#post15924597
This last one isn't even stwesterener's thread so now you're mucking up other peoples threads.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1381021-ZT-0770CF-M4-Benchmade-755-Kershaw-Leek-1660CBBW?p=15924513#post15924513
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OMG. No one who reads this thread will want to do business with him again.
 
craytab said:
What I think is completely irrelevant. When using paypal you agree to their terms. It is no mystery what they are. You check the "I agree" box. When you use paypal the correct and honest way the terms of the sale are dictated by paypal. If paypal says 180 days then 180 days it is. Remember, you agreed to it. If the buyer thinks the item is not as described, paypal will likely side with the buyer. Don't like that fact then don't use paypal. There are plenty of other ways to send/receive payment in a transaction.

Frankly it is a bit of a red flag for a seller to accept good payments because it shows they are willing to defraud paypal and not stand by their word.

I would have given a refund too. And despite what any ad says, these are used knives. It can be risky buying used things over the internet. It is not for everyone. However there are some very easy things to know and do that can save you a bunch of hassle. Paypal goods only!
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Absolutely true.

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For reference, here are PayPal's terms:

An item is “Significantly Not as Described” if it is materially different from what the Seller described in the item listing. Here are some examples:

You received a completely different item. For example, you purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
The condition of the item was misrepresented. For example, the description when you bought the item said “new” and the item was used.
The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in its description when you bought the item.
You purchased three items from a Seller but only received two.
The item was damaged during shipment.

An item is not Significantly Not as Described if it is materially similar to the Seller’s item listing description. Here are some examples:

The defect in the item was correctly described by the Seller.
The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.​
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This is a case of the item not meeting the buyer's expectations. Therefore I don't think a claim is warranted and that's why I'm not encouraging him to file one (even if he did pay via Goods).
 
Spinny said:
Absolutely true.

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For reference, here are PayPal's terms:

An item is “Significantly Not as Described” if it is materially different from what the Seller described in the item listing. Here are some examples:

You received a completely different item. For example, you purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
The condition of the item was misrepresented. For example, the description when you bought the item said “new” and the item was used.
The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in its description when you bought the item.
You purchased three items from a Seller but only received two.
The item was damaged during shipment.

An item is not Significantly Not as Described if it is materially similar to the Seller’s item listing description. Here are some examples:

The defect in the item was correctly described by the Seller.
The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.​
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This is a case of the item not meeting the buyer's expectations. Therefore I don't think a claim is warranted and that's why I'm not encouraging him to file one (even if he did pay via Goods).
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Arguing about an item I haven't seen and frankly don't care to see is not something I am going to do. I think we both know that if he filed a claim saying the item has an unsubscribed flaw, paypal would side with him, as they should. The seller should have done the right thing and just took the knife back. If a seller doesn't do the right thing, paypal will make them.
 
I'm certainly not arguing, and I absolutely could care less about the knife purchased in this case.

We both know how a hypothetical claim would go down.

I'm just trying to get the OP to man up and take some responsibility here for the situation he's in.

PayPal buyer protection is for two things:

1) Not receiving the item you paid for with PayPal, or
2) Receiving an item you paid for with PayPal but it is “Significantly Not as Described” (as defined above).
 
Spinny said:
I'm certainly not arguing, and I absolutely could care less about the knife purchased in this case.

We both know how a hypothetical claim would go down.

I'm just trying to get the OP to man up and take some responsibility here for the situation he's in.

PayPal buyer protection is for two things:

1) Not receiving the item you paid for with PayPal, or
2) Receiving an item you paid for with PayPal but it is “Significantly Not as Described” (as defined above).
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It offers the protection you get when buying from a reputable dealer. If I bought a knife from one of the many excellent BFC supporting dealers and it had a flaw I was not comfortable with even though it was NIB, I know they would accept a return. Same thing paypal offers. In this specific instance, since the seller is not being reasonable and accepting a return, if the OP used paypal correctly he could get the item returned and his money refunded. Zero need for this thread.

In fact, the only thing we got from this thread is that we may not want to do business with either the seller or the buyer.
 
telecaster05 said:
On 3-24-16, I purchased 2 knives from stwesterner, they arrived promptly on 3-28-16. After receiving the knives I was disappointed with the fit and finish and overall quality of one of the knives. I promptly notified the seller Brandon Fleischman "stwesterner", that I wished to return one of the knives. Brandon stated sorry but I don't accept returns on new knives. Keep in mind this bizarre policy of no returns on new knives was not mentioned in his sales post. Brandon refused to budge and was adamant that he would not accept a return. I have been a forum member for several years and have purchased dozens of knives here, I have never had to return a knife before. I posted on "stwesterner"'s sales posts to alert other forum members of the no returns policy. I see that "stwesterner" has edited his sales postings to include "no returns on new knives"'. The vast majority of people using this forum are honorable people and offer each other common courtesy, fortunately, it is rare when we come across a member like Brandon Fleischmann. Do yourself a favor and steer clear of this member
he doesn't belong on this forum.

Thanks,
Mike
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This is not going to end the way you think it should...
 
Slamming someone in a thread..certainly adds to your immaturity..
That in itself deserves some actions from Moderators....WOW..

Do your homework before you buy..ask questions..ask for references..
If the item is sold as is..Its sold as you see it..
These actions are becoming more and more in here as of late..

Agree with 10after10
Another one added to the Dreaded ""IGNORE LIST""
 
telecaster05 said:
After receiving the knives I was disappointed with the fit and finish and overall quality of one of the knives.
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Would you mind posting up some pictures of the knife in question and lettings us know where the discrepancies in fit and finish lie?

NIB is an entirely subjective and nondescript term. If you are looking to buy second hand items it is best to get as many clear photos as you feel comfortable with and ask questions about the condition before you buy so there are no surprises when the item arrives.

Right in the rules it states that sellers have to be 100% sure they want to sell and buyers 100% sure they want the item. These are private, (mostly) used items for sale which are "as is" sales. Unless the item is grossly misrepresented then no one has to offer a refund. Great sellers might, but are under no obligation to.

You have the original sales thread and pictures from the seller. Prove that they were misrepresented with pictures of your own.
 
brancron said:
I think it's good policy for sellers to accept returns (I always do), but I suppose it can't be expected.
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There are some that did in the past. Then they got sand kicked in their face by guys exhibiting pissed off wife syndrome (little sack disorder) as well as people that found the same item cheaper elsewhere. The problem is buyers need to do their homework BEFORE committing, that has been the rule going on 5 years now. Ask the questions you need to ask, ask for more pictures, ask for blade play, lock rock, how strong the pull is, is there a half stop, are there any gaps in the covers and liner, etc.
Some buyers will graciously accept refunds and not say anything, while others want to protect themselves. In any case, using paypal as recommended, asking questions, and a bit of common sense are all ways to prevent this kind of thing. Also, going and shitting up not one, not two but 5 different sales threads is an absolute surefire way to make sure that people think twice about dealing with you, as well as catching an infraction. We already have rules, you don't get to make things up as you go. Private sellers are under no obligation to offer refunds, you are in essence buying the item "as is" if you are unable to ask questions you need to know.
 
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