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Based on your attitude and actions I think YOU'RE. the one who doesn't belong here.
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Based on your attitude and actions I think YOU'RE. the one who doesn't belong here.
And a hundred more put you on ignore as to avoid accidentally doing business with you in the future.
And how did you pay again? Is there a reason you can't answer this question? Pics of the problem of the knife might help to clear your name a bit. You need all the help you can get at this point.
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There are many arguments here but the bottom line is I got to the point where I would have issued a refund to end hearing the nagging any longer. After only two emails of communication he posted in all of my threads, after that there was no chance its principle. I've sold thousands of dollars worth of knives on here in the last 6 months with not a single issue not even one.
MODS please handle accordingly
MODS please handle accordingly
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Here would have been the sensible thing to do: Tell the op to send the knife back and refund his money. You are really out nothing as he bought and was going to keep the other knife. You made a sale and incurred no real additional expense. We are talking about $100 here. Then if you feel like it put him on your ignore list. Yes, the OP does not appear someone I would want to do biz with. But, I am not so sure you but your best foot forward either. So much drama here for no reason.
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It wasn't about the money it was on principle stemming from what he wrote in our personal emails, simple as that no drama here.
Also thanks to everyone in this thread that had my back and saw the obvious. That is all.
Also thanks to everyone in this thread that had my back and saw the obvious. That is all.
stwesterner caused no drama from what I can tell. Even a SuperMod states, "Private sellers are under no obligation to offer refunds, you are in essence buying the item "as is" if you are unable to ask questions you need to know". The onus is on the seller to do research on knife he's buying, in other words, read reviews or anything else you can find regarding fit & finish. stweterner did not make the knife, he's not responsible for fit & finish. Also, as previously stated in this thread, they may very well have different opinion of fit & finish. What then?? People like op shouldn't buy from an individual private seller on a forum, buy from a retailer. Unless, I am mistaken, the op never states that the seller misrepresented the condition of the knife. If seller did, I can completely see where the op is in the right. But he simply bought a knife that he's not happy with, but was represented correctly. Lastly we have no idea of what was said privately between buyer & seller.
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^ This.
As we are so often reminded here in the GBU: when someone chooses to make a payment, via PayPal "Friend's & Family" (when paying for Goods), your "buyer protection" was just sold, for the measly 3-4% that you saved yourself. Had PP Goods been used for this transaction, most likely this thread wouldn't exist.
Personally, I would've just issued the OP a refund, rather than deal with a headache such as this...but I can totally understand the sellers 180, after the OP decided to retaliate by crapping in all of his other thread's. At that point, I would've been completely done with him too, & dealt with the fallout- even if it meant receiving negative feedback (which turned out to be the case for the seller here).
One thing that I've been noticing much more frequently: the lazy sales ad's that are being posted, with literally little, or no details (pertaining to fit & finish), along with no detailed F&F pictures. Regardless, when this is the case, the prospective buyer needs to ask fit & finish questions, and other details that are important to him- BEFORE pulling the trigger!
Edit: When you've been party to a bad transaction...just watch Bob Ross paint some, Happy Tree's!
eaceful:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n4f-VDjOBE
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Let me explain this another way to help the OP and buyers like him understand:
If a knife's listing does not mention lockup, ASSUME it has blade play.
If a knife's listing does not mention the blade's sharpness, ASSUME it is dull.
If a knife's listing does not comment on the blade's centering, ASSUME it's rubbing the scale or liner.
The sellers I tend to buy from address the knife's fit & finish in the listing. If the seller does not address fit & finish, it is up to you the buyer to find out if there are any issues (assuming fit & finish is important) BEFORE posting "I'll take it". I understand that sometimes a seemingly great deal appears in the Exchange and you need to jump on it before someone else claims it. Being the first to jump on an item poorly described comes with risk. It's important to understand that risk and accept it. In the past, I've PM'd sellers and privately offered a "conditional I'll take it"...something like "If lockup is solid and the blade is centered, I'll take it." If the seller accepts my offer, he's affirming that these factors (which are important to ME) are in good order. Lastly, never assume there is a return policy unless one is explicitly stated by the seller.
If a knife's listing does not mention lockup, ASSUME it has blade play.
If a knife's listing does not mention the blade's sharpness, ASSUME it is dull.
If a knife's listing does not comment on the blade's centering, ASSUME it's rubbing the scale or liner.
The sellers I tend to buy from address the knife's fit & finish in the listing. If the seller does not address fit & finish, it is up to you the buyer to find out if there are any issues (assuming fit & finish is important) BEFORE posting "I'll take it". I understand that sometimes a seemingly great deal appears in the Exchange and you need to jump on it before someone else claims it. Being the first to jump on an item poorly described comes with risk. It's important to understand that risk and accept it. In the past, I've PM'd sellers and privately offered a "conditional I'll take it"...something like "If lockup is solid and the blade is centered, I'll take it." If the seller accepts my offer, he's affirming that these factors (which are important to ME) are in good order. Lastly, never assume there is a return policy unless one is explicitly stated by the seller.
I think there are a lot of us (myself included) that just buy a lot of (sometimes) expensive knives for our own personal use, and end up not keeping most of them for one reason or another. This can easily add up to thousands of dollars for those of us with the worst 'addictions'
Last I checked, there's no dollar limit on selling under a gold membership. Dealers buy and sell knives for a profit. I think that's the key difference. I'm lucky to sell a knife for what I paid. Most of the time, it's for a small loss. At best, I break even. Dealers make money.
There used to be a "You might be a dealer if....." sticky. Seems to have disappeared.
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Interesting thread! While I think the OP went off half cocked and shat the bed by posting in stwesterner's threads, I recall the days when RevDevil or Esav would chime in with "The deal's not done until both parties are happy." Have I missed a sea change in policy around here?
I don't think NIB means "full of factory defects."
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I don't think NIB means "full of factory defects."
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As for "The deal's not done until both parties are happy", that has never actually been in writing anywhere. It's more of a goal to strive for, than a rule carved in stone. In addition, if a buyer feels they've been ripped off, and they contact us, we can try to help smooth things over and possibly put things in context until both people are happy. This has worked out many times in the past. But when one party decide to go and post nonsense in multiple sales threads, eliminates their buyer protection themselves, and fails to clarify after starting a thread here, we have to decide to what level we should get involved. No, no change of policy. More due diligence is always good though, no such thing as enough.
Sellers need to understand that they need to accurately describe their items, not idealize the condition to appeal to everyone. Some folks have a sharp eye for detail. Omitting defects, damage, or other marks is the same as saying the item is new rather than used. Again, NIB means it is new, as from the factory, if the manufacturer has produced a sub par item that doesn't speak to the "newness", it speaks to "fit and finish". Those are 2 completely different things, always have been and always will be.
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Lastly telecaster05's complaint was the blade stock on the main blade was thinner on the Queen Scout than the other Scout knives he has, that is not a fit and finish issue nor is it a factory defect. That is the way Queen makes their Scouts and they slice like a laser.
I think that about sums it up thanks all
I think that about sums it up thanks all
