sub 3.5" blade for carry on campus

paullascara said:
so they don't see it coming...
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there, there... That sounds awfully a lot what mall ninja would say... I think why knife concealed when you can carry legally is better not to make sheeple people nervous. What they don't know / see cannot make them nervous. But Izula is good choice. For Folder almost any folder can do what you want. Spyderco Delica 4 / Endura 4 might be well worth of checking. Not no folder is ever beated good fixed blade when it comes in term of safety and durability.

Skimo said:
They?

See what coming? :confused:
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He was reffering not seeing blade comming. And they probably means bad guys or something else. I have not mastered mall ninja talk nor thinking yet.
 
Sub 3.5in blade? Spyderco Kiwi, no clip so no way "they" will see it coming:D

Around campus, I find my SAK to be nice and reliable (Vic Huntsman). The scissors see lots of use, the screwdriver too. The Huntsman is a 91mm model, but I also carry a Spyderco Military if I need something larger(not often)

For campus use, what I've mentioned should be sufficient. If you feel under-knifed still, an Izula along with the SAK should be a good bet
 
thejamppa said:
there, there... That sounds awfully a lot what mall ninja would say... I think why knife concealed when you can carry legally is better not to make sheeple people nervous. What they don't know / see cannot make them nervous. But Izula is good choice. For Folder almost any folder can do what you want. Spyderco Delica 4 / Endura 4 might be well worth of checking. Not no folder is ever beated good fixed blade when it comes in term of safety and durability.



He was reffering not seeing blade comming. And they probably means bad guys or something else. I have not mastered mall ninja talk nor thinking yet.
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I'm sorry that is not very Mall Ninja at all. People carry concealed defensive weapons for a reason. SO PEOPLE DON"T KNOW they HAVE THEM, that would make what he said completly correct. If an assailant sees your weapon just out in the open they might make you their first target and you don't want that. Learn something about self defense and its applications before you go calling people mall ninjas just because they don't want someone who is trying to hurt them to know they have a weapon until they use it.
 
Gear said:
learn something about self defense
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I am so sorry obviously my time in army where tehy did taught Krav Maga and my earlier practise of Tae Kwon-Do have given me simple principle: knife is not defensive weapon. Its last ditch weapon when you use it defensively. As a weapon knife is disadvantage in nearly all scennarios if person sees blade at your hand.

But I am sorry if I don't know any self defense by your standard... Obviously I am ignorant fool when it comes self defense...

Defensive weapons are: Your brains (not get in situations), your senses (its not worth dying over wallet and cellphone), your legs (running away), tazer / mace, that .357 / .45 you carry.

Excuse me to burst your bubble but knife is not defensive weapon, because if you're defensing your life with knife and your not behind assailants back, you've most likely already lost, you're significantly in disadvantage.

That is why I don't categorise knife ever as defensive weapon. But heck if it gives you confidence to carry a knife for "self defense" sure go ahead. By the time you can draw your concealed knife, if you're alive, situation is already over. Besides most assailants come from behind when you have no time to react to get knife, have gun pointed at you or are ganged against you. In those situations a self defense knife doesn't work. I have yet seen a guy who can out run bullet. Do let me know if you see that or can do that.

Knife is primarly a tool and in modern era with fire arms very poor substitute of gun and brains for self defense.
 
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Gear said:
I'm sorry that is not very Mall Ninja at all. People carry concealed defensive weapons for a reason. SO PEOPLE DON"T KNOW they HAVE THEM, that would make what he said completly correct. If an assailant sees your weapon just out in the open they might make you their first target and you don't want that. Learn something about self defense and its applications before you go calling people mall ninjas just because they don't want someone who is trying to hurt them to know they have a weapon until they use it.
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there's plenty of reasons to not want people knowing you carry a knife, the "What is the dumbest comment someone has made about your knife?" thread gives many of them. "so they don't see it coming," is probably a poor way to phrase it, but the general idea is not "mall ninja" at all.

edit: the jamppa, the original poster has already stated he cannot carry a gun. mace isn't legal in many places, pepper spray is, and pepper spray has MANY disadvantages and isn't something I would count on. tasers are also not legal in most places for civillians to carry. most of your criticisms of the knife as a defensive weapon could be said about any weapon, including a gun. carrying any weapon, untrained, is a liability, not just a knife. you haven't really given any specific reason as to why a knife isn't an appropriate defensive weapon when a gun can't be carried.
 
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Under 3.5" is a fairly large pool of knives to choose from...

I don't have too much experience with fixed blades, but I can recommend (along with the #2 post) the Izula from RAT cutlery as the pricepoint is good, it's low profile, and the warranty is bombproof.

For folding, there's just alot of options. I won't specify one knife, but there are some companies you can stick to and be sure you won't be dissapointed. Spyderco has some insanely razor sharp knives (Endura/Delica or Miliatary/Paramilitary are typical EDC favorites). Benchmade and Kershaw are good all around. SOG is also another possibility.
You can also be looking at Victorinox/Swiss Army knives. These are extremely useful and are very low profile (I carry a Vic Farmer everywhere)
If you're looking for higher end folders, I'd recommend looking at Chris Reeve knives (specifically the Sebenza, which I also carry everywhere). These are production folders that come with a quality that rivals most high end custom makers. These go anywhere from $300-$550 depending on size and embellishments.
Hope this helps.
 
thejamppa said:
I am so sorry obviously my time in army where tehy did taught Krav Maga and my earlier practise of Tae Kwon-Do have given me simple principle: knife is not defensive weapon. Its last ditch weapon when you use it defensively. As a weapon knife is disadvantage in nearly all scennarios if person sees blade at your hand.

But I am sorry if I don't know any self defense by your standard... Obviously I am ignorant fool when it comes self defense...

Defensive weapons are: Your brains (not get in situations), your senses (its not worth dying over wallet and cellphone), your legs (running away), tazer / mace, that .357 / .45 you carry.

Excuse me to burst your bubble but knife is not defensive weapon, because if you're defensing your life with knife and your not behind assailants back, you've most likely already lost, you're significantly in disadvantage.

That is why I don't categorise knife ever as defensive weapon. But heck if it gives you confidence to carry a knife for "self defense" sure go ahead. By the time you can draw your concealed knife, if you're alive, situation is already over. Besides most assailants come from behind when you have no time to react to get knife, have gun pointed at you or are ganged against you. In those situations a self defense knife doesn't work. I have yet seen a guy who can out run bullet. Do let me know if you see that or can do that.

Knife is primarly a tool and in modern era with fire arms very poor substitute of gun and brains for self defense.
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I do carry a knife as a defensive weapon and as a weapon retention device if someone grabs my gun I'm cutting my way to my pistol. Not every incident is going to be a man with a gun. Its about having as many tools in the tool box as possible, because if all you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.

But like the original poster said it is his only option so its better than being defenseless. And if you wouldn't insult poeple with mall ninja comments this wouldn't have happened its not about who knows what its about a little common courtesy towards poeple concerned for their well being and wanting to carry a knife for defense whether you think its "mall ninja" or not everything has a situation that it will fit in and that it won't.

By your definition of "mall ninja" that makes almost every LEO that I know who carries a knife for defense (Along with firearms and and other devices remember tool box) and even well renouned instructors such as Gabe Saurez of Suarez International, Michael Janich of MBC, and even Kelly Mccaan "mall ninjas" just because they carry a knife for defensive purposes. (but it isn't their only option)

Maybe you should look up the definition of mall ninja before you use it again. Here you go " Mall Ninja A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator. The phrase came about as a result of an over the top character in a famous satirical thread." No where in this thread did someone lay claim to being a seasoned operator or a master knife fighter just citizens wanting to protect themselves.

So if you think people who carry knives for defense or just want the "Element of Suprise" on their side are mall ninjas well continue looking silly and we will all continue being "mall ninjas" thank you. :thumbup:

P.S. to the OP I would suggest a Blackhawk Be-Wharned they are an amazingly made knife for a decent price awesome G10 that you won't slip on trust me. http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/servlet/the-530/blackhawk-be-dsh-wharned-knife/Detail I ordered mine from this site.

And P.S. P.S. If they have ganged up on me well I don't think I will have enough bullets so looks like I'm going to my knife I might die but they will be very well sliced before i go down permanently.
 
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tf8s said:
I was actually going to say the exact same quote!
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Haha that is great well "Mall Ninjas" think alike I guess.:rolleyes: (Not that I think you are one) :foot: But seriously I just want thejamppa to have as many options as possible to protect himself with and since he is ex-military he should know how to handle himself quite well be it stick or knife(and to stop calling poeple mall ninjas it really is a dumb phrase).
 
Spyderco Delica or rat cutlery Izula, or not to start a firestorm but just carry the gun and don't tell anyone. the only way you would ever get caught is if you had to use it and if thats the case then your alive and that is all that matters.
 
i carry a bm 940 everyday and I love it. it fits your blade length criteria and is very fast to deploy.

I, however, do not carry it with self defense in mind(i have a gun for that). If I can't carry my gun there are better options than a knife for defense such as pepper spray or a taser if they are legal where you are. If the bad guy has a gun, the knife is useless, if he has a knife or less you should run, not try to be a hero. That being said, if I had to use my knife as a last resort I would not hesitate to do it and I think my knife would do what it needed to do.
 
scotsmanspride said:
Spyderco Delica or rat cutlery Izula, or not to start a firestorm but just carry the gun and don't tell anyone. the only way you would ever get caught is if you had to use it and if thats the case then your alive and that is all that matters.
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not a good idea. that's grounds to be thrown out of the school and it can ruin your life big time. carrying a knife slightly over 3.5" is one thing, but if you get caught carrying a firearm, even with a concealed carry permit you might get charged with a felony.
 
kvwpwr said:
i carry a bm 940 everyday and I love it. it fits your blade length criteria and is very fast to deploy.

I, however, do not carry it with self defense in mind(i have a gun for that). If I can't carry my gun there are better options than a knife for defense such as pepper spray or a taser if they are legal where you are. If the bad guy has a gun, the knife is useless, if he has a knife or less you should run, not try to be a hero. That being said, if I had to use my knife as a last resort I would not hesitate to do it and I think my knife would do what it needed to do.
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You've got the tool box Mind set theres nothing wrong with your thinking because you are correct. :thumbup:
 
scotsmanspride said:
Spyderco Delica or rat cutlery Izula, or not to start a firestorm but just carry the gun and don't tell anyone. the only way you would ever get caught is if you had to use it and if thats the case then your alive and that is all that matters.
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No one can blame you for wanting to protect yourself and your family or others. If you absolutely must, work as a reserve officer then you can carry on campus.
 
jfn said:
Under 3.5" is a fairly large pool of knives to choose from...
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You can say that again! ...

For EDCing a concealed fixed blade, I have found the Izula to be ideal. There are a lot of knives with a similar shape and sheath to the Izula that would also work well. Benchmade has one in 440C, Buck has some in 420HC and S30V. You could even find a small scandi knife to slip in your pocket. There are many possibilities.

For a folder- get a buck 110 or 112.:thumbup: I dont know much about using a knife for tactical defense, but a closed 110 makes a mean bashing implement if needed.
 
Gear, tf8s: You pull out knife in self defense situation and you can't kill that other person, you're dead most likely. Just know that. And even you survive and have successfully defended yourself. Brace for psychic backlash. Only carry weapon if you can make yourself absolutely clear that you will use that without no hesitation at all as you are taught to kill another human being aslong you understand, that's all what matter's. Its better to understand that now, than after you're nervous wreck from years of nightmares, guilt and ghost of past hounting you.

Carrying self defense knife = carrying knife to kill your opponent while protecting your life. Many who carry "self defense" knife do not understand this. And those who do not understand this and they say they carry self defense knife, I categorize them with people who flick knives in malls because its cool, because in both cases are related deep misunderstandment why that knife exists. Your self defense knives exists to end the life of aggressor. And this is what any good and competent knife instroctor tells you.

Just my humble opinion.
 
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