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a quick update, after a 27 hour car ride I was retaining water like crazy, but I still weighed in, even though I KNEW there would be a gain. +1.6 but I am already unofficially down 1.8 3 days later. I also have begun a daily walk! Kiss my arse Wednesday weigh in! I am ready for you!!
Ok, there are two things that you can do to lose weight faster than anything else:
1. Keep stuff out of your diet that messes with your blood sugar. This means unbuffered fructose (ie fructose in cokes and OJ, but not in fruit - because that is buffered by roughage and so slow to release) and artifical sweeteners. The mounting evidence is that blood sugar swings mess up appetite control, metabolic rate and fat storage.
2. As soon as you are fit enough, replace most of your low intensity cardio with fewer and briefer periods of high intensity cardio/strength interval training. Kettlebell swings are ideal - you should have periods of intense effort for 2 mins, a 1 minute rest and repeat this cycle for something like 6-10 times. 3 periods of this a week will make a big difference. Google "interval training fat loss" for the science. (But see a doctor before starting this type of program if you are really out of shape, have concerns about your heart, etc.)
I certainly know people who have succeeded with a low carb diet, although I think especially agree with Taubes recommendations. As for calories in/calories out: it's pretty much mainstream science now that this is NOT a complete dietary picture, because the form of the calories will influence what your body does. Eg:
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/this-is-your-brain-on-sugar-ucla-233992.aspx
You don't have to go crazy and give up carbs - just eat carbs that are higher in fibre and avoid drinks and processed foods with fructose in them.
The same is true about exercise. The calories burnt are relatively unimportant - an hour's walk burns hardly any, and any calories burned make you hungrier in proportion, so why bother? What matters is prodding your metabolism into changing modes. For example, high intensity interval work causes the body to release more Human Growth Hormone. This causes muscle and bone density to increase, diverting calories to building these - especially if your diet is good. Even milder forms of exercise - eg walking - have some metabolic benefit; for example those half hour walks will reduce the extent to which your metabolism slows because you are taking in few calories.
The problem on relying with "calories in, calories out" alone is that it risks provoking a metabolic slowdown - the body thinks there is a food shortage so turns down the metabolic rate. This at least slows loss, but sometimes leads to worse weight problems in the future, especially on severe diets, because the body will lose muscle. You have to manage calories, but you have to manage your metabolism too.
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I wish both of you the best in your efforts! Its all about calories in vs calories out. Figure your daily value at your current weight. Theres 3500 calories in 1lb of fat so with that you can figure out how many calories you need to cut per day to lose "X" amount of lbs per week(S) or whatever your goals may be. I wouldn't suggest crash dieting or getting out carbs. Just like most things in life weight loss is the same everything in moderation..
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Great advise.
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here is my 2c
diets do not work. Because when you get off you gain even more and at a faster rate.
eating habit have to be changed for life. I do not know you or what you eat so here is some general guidelines
-avoid sugar, avoid artificial sugar even more, run from corn syrup
-avoid processed foods (anything from supermarket you can just heat up in microwave is bad for ya)
-avoid genetically modified foods (down with Monsanto)
-eat well balanced food (crabs protein, healthy fats)
- cook your food by yourself
- eat complex carbs (ie whole wheat flour instead of white/enriched flour, sweet potatos instead of white potatos, brown rise instead of white rise)
- eat more protein
HIT THE GYM (it takes 3 times more energy (by body) to maintain muscle tissue than fat tissue, - that is why muscles will help you burn excess calories) Masculine person can eat more and burn the calories in their sleep.
diets do not work. Because when you get off you gain even more and at a faster rate.
eating habit have to be changed for life. I do not know you or what you eat so here is some general guidelines
-avoid sugar, avoid artificial sugar even more, run from corn syrup
-avoid processed foods (anything from supermarket you can just heat up in microwave is bad for ya)
-avoid genetically modified foods (down with Monsanto)
-eat well balanced food (crabs protein, healthy fats)
- cook your food by yourself
- eat complex carbs (ie whole wheat flour instead of white/enriched flour, sweet potatos instead of white potatos, brown rise instead of white rise)
- eat more protein
HIT THE GYM (it takes 3 times more energy (by body) to maintain muscle tissue than fat tissue, - that is why muscles will help you burn excess calories) Masculine person can eat more and burn the calories in their sleep.
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Love it!
I read this the other day and I thought it was pretty true
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Wednesday Weigh In: I lost 5 lbs. this week 
I also bought an activity monitor that works in conjunction with my WW eTools. A nifty device that is waterproof and will monitor all of my activity and track it for me, it also sets goals for every few weeks. I am really happy with the progress I made this past week. I am very excited about this tracker being waterproof as I love to swim, I am going to join the water aerobics class that my MIL's community offers. I am thinking, MWF. All in all, measuring everything and keeping track is really helping me see food differently again. My portions have been out of control!! yikes.
I also bought an activity monitor that works in conjunction with my WW eTools. A nifty device that is waterproof and will monitor all of my activity and track it for me, it also sets goals for every few weeks. I am really happy with the progress I made this past week. I am very excited about this tracker being waterproof as I love to swim, I am going to join the water aerobics class that my MIL's community offers. I am thinking, MWF. All in all, measuring everything and keeping track is really helping me see food differently again. My portions have been out of control!! yikes.
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That's awesome news. I hear that 1 pound a week is the healthy way to lose it, but it's really hard to gauge with how much our weight fluctuates daily and considering the measurement devices we have.
Just don't push yourself too hard. I know there's a bet and all, but it'll be an even bigger setback if you get an injury. People told me the difference between soreness/exhaustion from exercise and injury pain should be obvious, but it wasn't for me with my shoulder problem. I didn't find out until it was too late, and I'm inactive again. So just be careful is all.
Just don't push yourself too hard. I know there's a bet and all, but it'll be an even bigger setback if you get an injury. People told me the difference between soreness/exhaustion from exercise and injury pain should be obvious, but it wasn't for me with my shoulder problem. I didn't find out until it was too late, and I'm inactive again. So just be careful is all.
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Fix your diet (don't just "diet")
Low fat, medium caloric intake, cut back on processed carbs (sugars)
WORKOUT
Resistance training, to failure, cause an increase in muscle density since muscles are the fuel burners in your body. As others have mentioned, the more muscle tissue you have, the more calories you burn.
I know bodybuilders who cut DOWN to 6000 calories a day to rip for competition.
Note that your muscles have quite a bit of intramuscular fat, even on skinny people, so don't think that you have to get "big" to burn more calories. A conditioned, thin person can have more muscle fiber per volume than an obese person, and therefore, burn more calories at rest. Think about prime beef, it's tender and tasty because of the intramuscular fat, not the stuff hanging round the edges.
Low fat, medium caloric intake, cut back on processed carbs (sugars)
WORKOUT
Resistance training, to failure, cause an increase in muscle density since muscles are the fuel burners in your body. As others have mentioned, the more muscle tissue you have, the more calories you burn.
I know bodybuilders who cut DOWN to 6000 calories a day to rip for competition.
Note that your muscles have quite a bit of intramuscular fat, even on skinny people, so don't think that you have to get "big" to burn more calories. A conditioned, thin person can have more muscle fiber per volume than an obese person, and therefore, burn more calories at rest. Think about prime beef, it's tender and tasty because of the intramuscular fat, not the stuff hanging round the edges.
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Wednesday Weigh In: I lost 5 lbs. this week
That is awesome SueZQ!!!!!!!!! Congrats on your weightloss :thumbup:
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hope you sent some bacon and beef jerkey with the pink knives. My willpower has been strong, he will not resist the bacon...hahaha. I hear Hawaii is beautiful, just sayin'.I could probably do that.
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I am starting out with walking, it's low impact and is the right thing for me right now, the water aerobics will also be a starting point. I am commited to changing my eating habits, not dieting. the bet is really not much of a bet considering the outcome is we get to go on vacation somewhere cool together. I'd just prefer to go to Hawaii or some similar destination. I am looking at it as a bonus to getting fit.
the bet is really not much of a bet considering the outcome is we get to go on vacation somewhere cool together. I'd just prefer to go to Hawaii or some similar destination. I am looking at it as a bonus to getting fit.