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The ACE hardware stone is aluminum oxide per the ACE hardware website.
Hi,
Going with the label is a good idea, but the website is not exactly a reliable source of information :)
Ace® Combination Sharpening Stone
  • $3.99 Hone Length: 3 in. ( 3" x 7/8" x 3/8" )
  • $4.99 4IN X 1-3/4IN X 5/8IN , picture of 6in x 2in x 1in stone
  • $5.99 6IN X 2IN X 3/4IN, same 6in picture
  • $8.99 6IN X 2IN X 1IN , same 6in picture, like all of them also says , Abrasive Material: Aluminum Oxide
  • $13.99 8IN X 2IN X 1IN , same 6in picture, comments say "After several calls, was told the grit is 60 and 80

There is such a thing as "Black Aluminum Oxide" so going by color alone is not exactly reliable either
 
From using it I'd say the coarse side is around 60 grit. The fine side maybe 180 grit. It cuts well and I'd like to know for sure what type grit it is. I think a while back someone called Norton on this and posted about it. DM
 
Hi,
From using it I'd say the coarse side is around 60 grit. The fine side maybe 180 grit. It cuts well and I'd like to know for sure what type grit it is. I think a while back someone called Norton on this and posted about it. DM

Well, I did some searching, one guy in 2007 said he read others say ace hardware stones are made by Ali Industries,

it turns out Ali Industries is Gator Finishing, and it seems that they are, and that they're mostly silicon carbide, mostly 60/80 grit, and one 24 grit


So the thinner 6in stone is alumox, all others are sic

I saw these listed at True Value Hardware
3.29 /10.99/17.99/20.99 in february, today 2.99/9.99/15.99/18.99
ace hardware seems to have the best deal on these
 
My local ACE sometimes has two types of 2x8 and/or 2x6 combination stones - what they carry seems to vary a bit. Same dimensions.

The cheaper of the two, by a couple of bucks, is lighter colored and presumably AlumOx. The darker more expensive one (what I purchased) I am convinced 100% is silicon carbide.
 
ACE's stones have been both at various times, in the last couple of years that I've been paying attention; when held side-by-side and compared in performance, the differences have become more apparent. The website descriptions haven't really kept up, and that's really nothing new with online vendor descriptions anyway. At one time on ACE's site in particular, I've even seen their 6" stone descriptions featured with a photo that obviously showed an 8" stone. The only way I've been able to keep up with what they have, is to go to the store and look at them. Sometimes they've carried both versions simultaneously, and lately they've seemed to favor the lighter AlOx stones. I have both types in each of three sizes (4", 6", 8"), purchased at ACE, and it's easier to see the differences when holding them in-hand and using them. I'm going to be visiting one of their stores again* in the coming days to pick up an item for a family member, so I'll be looking to see what they've changed again. My local ACE stores have done a lot of tinkering with inventory lately.

{ * EDITED TO ADD: Visited two ACE stores in my area today. Looks like all of their 4", 6" and 8" stones are currently the AlOx versions. I did see their little 3" pocket stones still look like SiC (I have two of those). }

Norton's own description (and pictures) of their #87933 'Economy' stone was similarly in error in their online catalogs, until I contacted them and started asking questions. They admitted to me the online descriptions hadn't been updated, even 6+ years after they'd made the switch to SiC (in 2008) from the previous AlOx version. I'd suspect 99% of their customers using these inexpensive stones likely would never notice or care, so I can't really blame the vendors for not prioritizing the details in the descriptions. It's just the sharpening nuts like us that notice these things, and find reason to point out the differences. ;)


David
 
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I Strongly suspected that my black stone was SiC just by the manner it was working. Thanks to Bucket, Heavy and David for supplying this accurate followup information on these hardware stones. David, your too soft pedaling. These folks marketing personnel / computer personnel are Not on their game. In this computer age where information rules and good salaries being paid. They make themselves look second rate.? My boss demands a higher level of expertise in our work. DM
 
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bucketstove, reading your 6058 link, it says to use oil on the stone... Ha, that goes right thru. Vaseline or something like it is about the only product that would help lubricate the stones surface. Thanks again gents for you efforts in this discussion. DM
 
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bucketstone, reading your 6058 link, it says to use oil on the stone... Ha, that goes right thru. Vaseline or something like it is about the only product that would help lubricate the stones surface. Thanks again gents for you efforts in this discussion. DM
Hi,
Its the same with norton economy stones, say use oil,
but brand new the stone would drink an entire bottle of norton honing oil
Hand sanitizer can be used as temporary seal instead of vaseline
 
I've been using Go-Jo with good results and clean up is a snap. Just wipe it with a cloth. On the back of my box it says made in the U.S.. DM
 
I agree with the stated 60-80 grit for the coarse side. And the fine side broke in may give 160 grit. So, it's a reprofiling stone. Unless you like really coarse edges which I do for pruning and cutting sisal rope. I'll have fun while learning with this stone. DM
 
David, I find with my ACE stone (used with oil) the reclaimed grit works a little better as an improvised stropping compound than the Crystalon. Not sure why...

IIRC when I took a look at both under a microscope it looked like the ACE had fewer glass bits that could be ID'd. Whether this means it has fewer binders or its fired at a higher temp etc is anyone's guess.

I find same as you, its a bit more coarse on both sides compared to the Crystalon - still makes a very nice edge.
 
When you say, 'better than the Crystalon'. Are you meaning, better than Norton's stones, JUM-3, ect.? Humm, not sure either. The grit (grains) seem to hold well in respect to binders. At least better than my Norton JUM-3 but I don't know if this is because of binders or the firing method. I would guess it was done by the industry standard, no different. Yet, we notice a difference during use.? I'll need to retain some of it's slurry for later use as a stropping compound and educate myself on it's secondary grit usage.
I know it gives up grit more readily than my India (alumia oxide). So, this tumbling cutting effect is present. Still, I'm impressed with how well this stone works toward rebeveling. I'll continue using it and gain more knowledge with it. DM
 
Yeas, the mud works better than the grit I get from my JB8. Not sure why, if it breaks off sharper, larger, etc I can't say. But on a paper strop it works great - so does the stuff from the JB8, but for whatever reason the ACE grit does a better job.
 
I've been carrying the ACE hardware stone with me and today I used it again. This time on a 8" Victorinox simitar slicer. It had been sharpened a lot but still had good life. Just was developing thickness at the edge. I used the ACE stone to thin this shoulder down, then put an edge on it. It worked great for this in no time and with the thinner profile it preformed better.
Finished it off on the Norton India. The entire sharpening took 19 mins.. With more practice I can get it down to 15 mins.. DM
 
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I used my ace stone on a tenacious today and had a new bevel from around 20 down to 12° approximately. I know 8cr13mov isn't a prime steel but this stone gave me a very flat bevel with a very consistent scratch pattern in maybe 20 mins flat. While sharpening I would slice my edge through a block of pine periodically to rid burs and with progressively lighter and lighter strokes on the fine side I could cleanly do slow slices through phone book paper and after a tiny bit of stopping on dico e5 and balsa I could push cut either way on the paper. Arm hairs were caught about and 1/8th above the skin also. Not entirely sure how the fine stone being 160 grit could do this but I'm pretty happy with it
 
I hoped it helped you toward rebeveling. Because it did me. I'll continue to explore more usage with this stone. I think it can also be used to level other stones. Good luck, DM
 
Thanks David and everyone else. It sure did help me a lot and now Im addicted to seeing the flatness after a good reprofile lol. I still think I may go with a xxc dmt for the idea of non dishing. Although I haven't had any issues as of yet
 
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