Super Steels vs Regular Steels

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danbot said:
Like "they" say, "Its never too late"! I think he should raise some money and work with a metallurgist to come up with a testing proposal that can prove his theories and then raise some more money to complete that metallurgical testing.
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This.

From reading in this thread and others on BC's blades, it does seem like he's getting some very interesting results in real world tests of his knives. For my own personal use, that's what's most important to me. I don't know all the science behind how Mr Carothers or Mr Busse get their results and I don't need to in order to appreciate them. It also seems that he sounds like a very likeable and helpful fellow. That said, it does also seem like he has also made some claims about the science behind his results that are well outside of what seems to be generally accepted in the field of metallurgy. While that doesn't negate the results of actual testing, it does cast a shadow of doubt on some of his claims.

Some posting in this thread have seemed to want to shift the burden of proof (and, frankly, the cost in time, money and resources) to everyone who isn't Blunt Cut on his scientific explanations, but that isn't how it works. If you make claims that are well outside of the accepted wisdom in the field, the burden of proof is on you, not everybody else. It's BC's job to prove that what he claims is happening in the steel is right and not Larrin's job to prove him wrong. Why should Larrin be expected to expend his limited time and resources disproving claims that apparently smelled vaguely of snake oil to him when he could spend it on something else that has in no way set off his BS detector?

Would I try a knife using Blunt Cut's heat treating protocol? Probably. They sound like they're giving very good results and worth looking into. That doesn't mean that I think that any unorthodox claims about the reasons behind those results should go unchallenged in spite of him apparently being a nice guy who makes great knives.
 
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Mecha said:
A rigorous, well-funded scientific analysis has upheld your hypothesis.
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A likely answer while she's on the forum and next to you :p.

I'm just poking fun, pretty cool thing y'all got. :thumbsup:

I gotta try some of your TI out, I've never had a TI knife.
 
shinyedges said:
I'm totally in agreement Dan, I don't think (in my limited knowledge) that those terms accurately depict what's occuring. Terminology out the window, the results he's shown through video's and that others have tested are evidence his process does something otherwise blades that hard snap under the use shown.

All I'm saying is, everyone's talking smack about science and I've yet to see him claim his methods are proven by science and his naming of his heat treat is and has been done by many others whose videos sufficed as evidence.

Whatever he's doing, regardless of the name, it's being documented and tested and so far so good. I'm unaware of ANY knifemaker whose had their claims proven under the standards that have them backed by "science".
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Chris, it isn’t BC who has been derailing this thread. The OP, myself, Dan and others are all for BC making great knives with an amazing RHC. What has derailed the thread is certain members who try to splurge BC’s inductive theorising (which I agree is beside the point to his practice) into a completely innocuous and unrelated thread. BC has not done that and nobody is getting at him.

Quite simply, BC is a dude, nobody denies it. But the whole crystal weaving? Nah. Sorry. Nah. BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER! :)

What is irritating is people who are not BC but are peddling his imaginative, perhaps whimsical theories as somehow being credible vs double blind RCT’s etc. To my endless embarrassment I have two degrees in science. I don’t know shit about mettalugry, but I do understand scientific method. Science is not a choice, it is not a matter of faith. There is no option. Throw that chunk of magnesium in the pan of water. See how long it takes for a pea to drop from 100ft. Work out the mechanism for the internal combustion engine. Split the atom. Use a computer. Buy a steel knife. Science. God love it.
 
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