Surviorman, Season 2, Ep 3: Labrador

I think that he'll probably see a lot of flack over breaking up the dog fight. My wife and I both expressed surprise that the editors and producers didn't cut that scene. Congratulations to Les and the crew for having the guts to air the scene.

Reality isn't always pleasant.

Anybody who thinks that there was cruelty involved has never attempted to suture a dog back together after a fight. Anybody who feels that Les's actions were unjustified is more than welcome to break up a similar fight by placing their head between the two dogs.

The same people that complain about this are going to complain that the dogs were left outside overnight and weren't fed bagged food. These are the same people that complain that toothpicks have pointy ends that might cause injury.

Hopefully, the complaints won't cause the producers to change their editing style.
 
znode said:
. . . The CZ action puts the bolt handle quite a bit back, behind the trigger. In the video the bolt handle was forward of the trigger. The trigger assembly looks quite different as well.

It looks a lot more Marlin or Winchester.
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Looks more like a Savage Mod 17.
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Except that I recall getting a glimpse of better iron sights. That's when I thought CZ but the rest of the rifle didn't look right. My guess is that it's an older Savage Mod 17 or a clone with Sears or Montgomery Ward on the side. Those rifles are fairly bulletproof so an older one would not be unreasonable.
 
Rifle: Too fuzzy to tell, but assuming a stock rifle, the receiver and checkering pattern looks like a Marlin 900 series. Also could be a Winchester Wildcat.
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I am almost positive the rifle is a Russian .22 known as the TOZ. It is very similar to Centerfire Systems "Whisper".
 
I have two CZ-452 rifles (.22 LR and .22 WMR) and it's not a CZ. Like I said, it's an older rifle. Today most rifles are made with scopes in mind, but older rifles had good iron sights. I learned to shoot with a Winchester bolt action .22 that had a hooded front sight and an aperture rear sight. Very accurate BTW. The rifle is now in the hands of my younger brother and is destined for our nephews.
To make this call I/we would need to get a good still shot of the receiver. Stock change, sights change, but the bolt assembly and receiver are key. The Savage above is close, but the rear of the receiver is wrong.
 
I usually don't get invovled in these gear posts, just because...insert name....uses it, it must be good, not quite.

With that said the rifle he had looked to me like it had a european style hump backed stock, like the 452 trainer, but the action looked to me like a Sako. Chris
 
FWIW on the gear issue (I'm with Chris on this one) last season, MEC was acknowledged in the credits. I went back and checked this ep's credits: Iridium (sat phone network), Tissot (watches - nice score!), and Viosport (cameras).

MEC wasn't listed, but every brand I noticed were lines that they carry, except for the axe. But that's probably a cheapo hardware store fiberglass jobbie from the look of it. The kind we all have kicking around somewhere. But then, I'm an MEC junkie....

I wasn't a big fan initially, mostly because he seemed to be blundering through it all. After a bit of research, I found that's just his style: do it for the first time with the all-seeing eye turned on. If his survival expert, guide, and paramedic (listed in the credits) were actually with him at the time, I think they would have cautioned him against that. His apparent suffering and mistakes lend him an air of 'average Joe' credibility, especially in light of what the 'competition' has been up to of late.

BTW, his Off The Grid video is also worth a look.
 
Folks, this episode is now up on youtube, along with all of season 1 and the previous episodes of season 2. His show "Off the Grid" is also up.
 
chiger said:
By the way, I hope no one on this form would be crazy enough to drill holes in their hunting rifle and stack full metal jacket or high velocity hollow point ammo. Naaah! Pointy tip to ammo primer, high power recoil, chain fire, shrapnel everywhere surely not?

Just a thought.

chiger,
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Since 22lr is a blunt nosed and not FMJ round, and it is rimfire, it is routinely loaded in tube magazines and thus would work fine in the manner he stored it. Have any experience with rimfire or tubeloaded rounds? I can explain it if you want.
 
Smash,

Naah, that was for the guys who haven't ever seen a tube on an lever action 30-30 that was banana peeled because someone bought hollow-point boat tail ammo from the sporting goods expert at Wal-Nuts.

Core Locket or some similar round point ammo is no problem with high velocity high recoil guns. Since others had pointed out the dangers in subsequent post I just didn't follow up. Not everyone has your common sense and because this forum is for people trying to learn I just thought I'd toss it in.

Thanks for the offer though. Keep teaching and learning. It is why we are here.

chiger,
 
chiger said:
the guys who haven't ever seen a tube on an lever action 30-30 that was banana peeled because someone bought hollow-point boat tail ammo from the sporting goods expert at Wal-Nuts.
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I've never seen that and I've seen hundreds of hollow points fired from a Marlin and a few through a Winchester. All factory 30/30 is designed with tube magazines in mind and is safe for those. It's also why the 30/30 is at a lower pressure than it could be. They don't want the hotter stuff getting loaded into an old rifle that can't handle the pressure. There are some handloads listed in the guides for a 30/30 that used spitzer bullets and should only be used in a TC Contender or other such weapons (without tube magazines), but the factory stuff is ok for any lever action with a tubular magazine even if the gun is over 100 years old.
 
My experience is the same as nemoaz'. Factory 30-30 ammo is designed to stack up nuts to butt with no recoil detonation issues. Never seen a 30-30 round that would be bad in a tube magazine. If you did reload a few rounds of 30-30 with pointed bullets, it would be best to single loads then through the breach and not use the tube at all. YMMV, but I prefer bolt guns.
 
ras said:
My experience is the same as nemoaz'. Factory 30-30 ammo is designed to stack up nuts to butt with no recoil detonation issues. Never seen a 30-30 round that would be bad in a tube magazine. If you did reload a few rounds of 30-30 with pointed bullets, it would be best to single loads then through the breach and not use the tube at all. YMMV, but I prefer bolt guns.
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Now, Hornady is loading the Lever Evolution ammo, that uses specially engineered polymer tipped bullets, for those who want premium bullet performance out of their lever action. The polymer tip is designed to flex with recoil to prevent an unintended discharge.
 
mp510 said:
Now, Hornady is loading the Lever Evolution ammo, that uses specially engineered polymer tipped bullets, for those who want premium bullet performance out of their lever action. The polymer tip is designed to flex with recoil to prevent an unintended discharge.
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Mp510's post tells me that the fact someone makes a round like this should tell doubters that the manufactures have concerns.

Didn't intend to start anything. Just relating experience. I wish I had a picture, but this was many years ago, probably 35 or so. And it seems like they were hand loads. If you are going to shoot FMJ or Other such pointy ammo in a tube gun. I wish you luck. I'm not going to risk it. It doesn't take but one to use up some of those extra fingers I came equipped with.

chiger,
 
I would almost bet that his rifle for this show was a Romanian trainer in 22

Just looks like one to me.

See ya
Knifesmith (Known lately as Kid Couteau)
 
Knifesmith said:
I would almost bet that his rifle for this show was a Romanian trainer in 22

Just looks like one to me.

See ya
Knifesmith (Known lately as Kid Couteau)
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Nope, that's definetely not a Romanian M1969 .22LR Training rifle. You'll notice that the forend grip is diffirent- the 1969 has grooves Les' rifle has checkering.

As I previously said, Les' rifle certainlyy looks like a Russian TOZ. They retail new for less than $200 in the US, are very high quality like most Russian guns. members.cox.net/cruffler/rimfires/toz.html
 
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