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Sort of like the honorable mention at the bottom of the pic, short barrels and screw in chokes works like a charm but I haven't turned loose of my NEF yet.
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You guys have been watching red dawn too much, what are you planning on surviving, tikrit?
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A .22 will let you carry 10 times the ammo of a larger caliber rifle, and works for both squirrels in the stew pot and self defense.
Thats not to say that I don't dig my AKs and ARs.
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I don't dig on the black guns too much, I didn't say I didn't have any, but I think before we go any further with this thread we need to figure out what kind of situation we are talking about.
For years I carried a Browning .22 until one of the dads (who was in local SWAT) asked me why? As I explained he carefully brought me around to see that if you need a gun you REALLY NEED a gun and a .22 isn't it. Killing game also isn't it. I now carry a SW 3" MODEL 60 .357. It goes every time I go into the woods. Danger: cougars, bears, dogs, people, racoons, etc. Of that list, only bears haven't been incountered. The police solved the people problem.
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Ron,
Again what type of situation, my picks would be totally different for SD but I don't consider my survival gun to be a SD gun, I think about filling my belly. If I am going to be lost in the woods my 3" smith would be low on the list, if my car breaks down in compton it would be high, again, what type of situation are we talking about. FWIW, bears, cougars, dogs, and raccoons don't worry me too much in the woods, false bravado maybe, but just the way I feel. Chris
Again what type of situation, my picks would be totally different for SD but I don't consider my survival gun to be a SD gun, I think about filling my belly. If I am going to be lost in the woods my 3" smith would be low on the list, if my car breaks down in compton it would be high, again, what type of situation are we talking about. FWIW, bears, cougars, dogs, and raccoons don't worry me too much in the woods, false bravado maybe, but just the way I feel. Chris
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I've carried a wide variety of guns in this role. For a long time it was Ruger Single-six, 6.5 inch in .22 magnum. Great small game gun.
Anymore I carry either a Glock 19, 17, or a 1911A1. Yes, only for defense, but that makes sense in the area.
My sensible woods gun would be my S&W Model 19-5, 2.5 inch .357 magnum. I feel very well armed with this gun.
Here in Brazil they sell a very interesting "survival gun". Its a break open single shot .22 with an 11 inch barrel. It comes as a package deal with an 11inch .410 barrel as well so you can convert it to a mini "sawed-off" shotgun. Since there are no laws against stocks on pistols here you can put a rifle stock on it and have an 11 inch single shot .22/.410 (SBR/S?). I've thought about making one of these with a scope on the .22 barrel and a skeletonized stock to hold ammo and the extra barrel.
There are no barrel length restrictions up to 28 gauge. They do sell a single shot 28 ga "sawed-off" with a 10 inch barrel. I have yet to fire one of these so I can't comment on their effectiveness. I imagine a 28 ga slug would put a whoopin on just about anything at close range. Mac
Anymore I carry either a Glock 19, 17, or a 1911A1. Yes, only for defense, but that makes sense in the area.
My sensible woods gun would be my S&W Model 19-5, 2.5 inch .357 magnum. I feel very well armed with this gun.
Here in Brazil they sell a very interesting "survival gun". Its a break open single shot .22 with an 11 inch barrel. It comes as a package deal with an 11inch .410 barrel as well so you can convert it to a mini "sawed-off" shotgun. Since there are no laws against stocks on pistols here you can put a rifle stock on it and have an 11 inch single shot .22/.410 (SBR/S?). I've thought about making one of these with a scope on the .22 barrel and a skeletonized stock to hold ammo and the extra barrel.
There are no barrel length restrictions up to 28 gauge. They do sell a single shot 28 ga "sawed-off" with a 10 inch barrel. I have yet to fire one of these so I can't comment on their effectiveness. I imagine a 28 ga slug would put a whoopin on just about anything at close range. Mac
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I usually have a pile of guns in the truck if I am out with the girlfriend...she takes her 686, I take a gp100, maybe some 1911s, at least one m14 and usually a .22...
Of course if I am by myself I am generally hiking and wouldn't want to be weighed down with all that!
Up here you are really taking your chances if you want to use much less than a 12 guage for defense in the bush. Personally I don't fear bear encounters enough to take eight or ten pounds of gun with me, so if I have anything at all, it's a .22. But if I am going far, I won't bother with any guns at all. I might cover anywhere from ten to twenty miles a day and I am not especially in to packing the extra weight in case I want to shoot something. If I am hard up for food, I usually have a half a pound worth of fishing rod on the pack, and it's supplied me with plenty of food in the bush. Also quiet!
Of course I am an all-out survivalist, as well, so I also have plenty of guns for killing zombies should the opportunity present itself. I just don't feel a big need in a wilderness survival scenario. However, I do appreciate that others feel differently and I don't think I've seen a single gun mentioned in this thread that I would not consider effective for bush survival in one way or another. I don't consider a .22 ruger pistol to be ideal for bear, but I don't consider a 45/70 guide gun to be ideal for grouse, either. You pays your money and you takes your chances!
Of course if I am by myself I am generally hiking and wouldn't want to be weighed down with all that!
Up here you are really taking your chances if you want to use much less than a 12 guage for defense in the bush. Personally I don't fear bear encounters enough to take eight or ten pounds of gun with me, so if I have anything at all, it's a .22. But if I am going far, I won't bother with any guns at all. I might cover anywhere from ten to twenty miles a day and I am not especially in to packing the extra weight in case I want to shoot something. If I am hard up for food, I usually have a half a pound worth of fishing rod on the pack, and it's supplied me with plenty of food in the bush. Also quiet!
Of course I am an all-out survivalist, as well, so I also have plenty of guns for killing zombies should the opportunity present itself. I just don't feel a big need in a wilderness survival scenario. However, I do appreciate that others feel differently and I don't think I've seen a single gun mentioned in this thread that I would not consider effective for bush survival in one way or another. I don't consider a .22 ruger pistol to be ideal for bear, but I don't consider a 45/70 guide gun to be ideal for grouse, either. You pays your money and you takes your chances!
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misanthropist,
Some very good points that I agree with word for word, I do however think my 20 single is a good compromise. Somewhat lightweight, no slouch for power with slugs, and with fine shot good for small game, dissassembled it will fit in all but the smallest packs. Chris
Some very good points that I agree with word for word, I do however think my 20 single is a good compromise. Somewhat lightweight, no slouch for power with slugs, and with fine shot good for small game, dissassembled it will fit in all but the smallest packs. Chris
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It's certainly a good sounding compromise to me!
Runningboar, gotta love them Benjamins! I have one in .22, takes down the bushy tailed tree rat quietly, even in urban areas. Accurate for as short as it is.
Most of my outdoors trips are by canoe or johnboat anymore and I take my
M6 Scout in .22 with that stupid trigger guard removed (the Air Force orig. had none).
I take my XD45 along also, used to pack the Hi-Power before. Not for any critters, but for the drunken idiots out of St. Louis in Shoalrunners that seem to gravitate to this area. I have found a weapon on your person changes people's attitude, instantly. And when my daughter is along, her well being is the most important thing,better to have and not need.... Here we just passed the Castle Doctrine law, it applies to tents also.
And I have my share of "zombie" guns, but they stay home, for them to be effective you need lots of ammo/mags, and it just is not fun humping that stuff. My military days were enough.
Most of my outdoors trips are by canoe or johnboat anymore and I take my
M6 Scout in .22 with that stupid trigger guard removed (the Air Force orig. had none).
I take my XD45 along also, used to pack the Hi-Power before. Not for any critters, but for the drunken idiots out of St. Louis in Shoalrunners that seem to gravitate to this area. I have found a weapon on your person changes people's attitude, instantly. And when my daughter is along, her well being is the most important thing,better to have and not need.... Here we just passed the Castle Doctrine law, it applies to tents also.
And I have my share of "zombie" guns, but they stay home, for them to be effective you need lots of ammo/mags, and it just is not fun humping that stuff. My military days were enough.
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You better believe it, I think the old rocker safety sheridan 5MMs and the older benjamins, 70s and early 80s, are the best American airguns ever. dependable as a hammer, powerful and accurate, what more could you ask for.:thumbup:
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These are definitely different situations. Sounds like the original question was more about woods survival, and not defense from two legged predators.
For defense it's these:
For 'survival' or just living in the bush, one of these:
(Savage MkII, not the girl...)
For defense it's these:
For 'survival' or just living in the bush, one of these:
(Savage MkII, not the girl...)
Depends on where and when I am.
If the moose are having their mating season, a Garand or Remington 7600 in .30-06, loaded with 165gr ballistic tips- a bull moose in rut is arguably one of the most dangerous animals in North America. I've seen what happened after one thought an small car was awfully pretty- the car was more than just totaled. And they've also done things like attack small sheds and sugar shacks that they thought were rivals. Neither of those are how I want to go out!
Rest of the time, a .357 of one model or another, with the first chamber being a .38 wadcutter for smaller game. After that, 125gr JHP.
If I was out west, in catamount and big bear country, I'd probably want a .30-30, Mini-30 or SKS. .30-30 and 7.62x39 are very similiar in how they perform, so the gent who listed the AK, while it is ugly, not as accurate as I would like, and does get unwanted attention, it isn't a horrible choice. I might suggest scrounging some of the shorter magazines for carrying in the woods though.
And I would love something like the SU-16 in 7.62x39! If KelTec is listening...
If the moose are having their mating season, a Garand or Remington 7600 in .30-06, loaded with 165gr ballistic tips- a bull moose in rut is arguably one of the most dangerous animals in North America. I've seen what happened after one thought an small car was awfully pretty- the car was more than just totaled. And they've also done things like attack small sheds and sugar shacks that they thought were rivals. Neither of those are how I want to go out!
Rest of the time, a .357 of one model or another, with the first chamber being a .38 wadcutter for smaller game. After that, 125gr JHP.
If I was out west, in catamount and big bear country, I'd probably want a .30-30, Mini-30 or SKS. .30-30 and 7.62x39 are very similiar in how they perform, so the gent who listed the AK, while it is ugly, not as accurate as I would like, and does get unwanted attention, it isn't a horrible choice. I might suggest scrounging some of the shorter magazines for carrying in the woods though.
And I would love something like the SU-16 in 7.62x39! If KelTec is listening...
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Runningboar, you're right on about the NEF. My hunting buddies consider me somewhat of a shotgun snob (I'm converting them though
), yet I've always had an H&R. It breaks down in a moment, has no screws to loosen, doesn't mind a few scratches, and is only about 5 lbs. The action profile and balance point together with the weight makes it comfortable to carry one-handed all day. The break open action, hammer and transfer bar is as safe as it gets. It's the Mora of shotguns only made in the USA. :thumbup: Regards,ss.
), yet I've always had an H&R. It breaks down in a moment, has no screws to loosen, doesn't mind a few scratches, and is only about 5 lbs. The action profile and balance point together with the weight makes it comfortable to carry one-handed all day. The break open action, hammer and transfer bar is as safe as it gets. It's the Mora of shotguns only made in the USA. :thumbup: Regards,ss.
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On another note, don't forget that a concealed handgun is still concealed even when out of town. A shotgun or rimfire, and a hunting license will keep you legit in most places. Where I frequent, thrashing about the bush with a semi auto centerfire and 10 round mags, or without a hunting license, will put you in court. Regards, ss.
Regards, ss.
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A Marlin Papoose, or ruger MK II if I want a plinker or if I think killing something small is a high probability,
Otherwise a 3" barrelled Ruger security six in .357 fits the bill fairly well but I am considering getting an SP 101 or SW model 60 in 357 to cut down on bulk.
Otherwise a 3" barrelled Ruger security six in .357 fits the bill fairly well but I am considering getting an SP 101 or SW model 60 in 357 to cut down on bulk.
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A 4" 44mag revolver is always comforting and can procure large game, for any thing else 20 or 12 gauges are great small game getter's.
I can see the use of a SD hand gun in the woods, if for nothing else then peace of mind and jerks, but it wouldn't be my choice if given one.
Helle
I can see the use of a SD hand gun in the woods, if for nothing else then peace of mind and jerks, but it wouldn't be my choice if given one.
Helle