survival firearm??????????????

[QUOTE=straitshot;4830699]Where I frequent, thrashing about the bush with a semi auto centerfire and 10 round mags, or without a hunting license, will put you in court.:) Regards, ss.[/QUOTE]


Where is that???

L.W.
 
A quick note on the M6 Scout. I have one and enjoy shooting it, but I stuck it in my pack and went on a 2 day hike and hated it the entire way. It is a heavy beast for what it is. The 10/22 is lighter and proably more acurate, if I could put a folding stock on it I would definatly chose it for packing around. In the mean time I may pick up a savage single shot .22 youth model. I think it is called the cub.
If I needed something with more punch the Glock 30 might end up with me for 2 legged vermin.
That would cover both extremes for me.
Mike
 
For "subsistence survival," if you have to carry it, then an accurate .22 is far better than any shotgun.

Weight and bulk of the shotgun ammo knocks it out pretty fast when it comes to carrying your load. A 25 rd box weighs 2 - 2.5 lbs. Compare that to a .22 rimfire and you'll have a lot more ammo for the same weight, which = more food.

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A vote for 12Ga:- You don't need to carry alot of ammo. It is good for small game with shot; Big game with buckshot or slugs. And for SD, very decisive.
 
runningboar said:
Wow, I love absolutes. Your opinion has merit but it is far from cut and dried. Chris
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This goes back to the question being poorly phrased, as way too much is left to speculation. What you speculate and what I speculate may be miles apart, yet "correct" for our way of looking at things.

If we're just talking a weekend or even a week, then 25 rds will be more than enough.

But if we're talking months....and you still have to CARRY it in your pack........tell me how many shotgun rounds you'll bring with you.

Mel Tappan covered this very topic quite well and I've found nothing to disagree with his shotgun assessment in the years since "Survival Guns" came out in the 70's.

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i am sorry fella's about such a broad question. i was talking about being in the woods and outdoors. we all know that there is no need for us to have firearms in our home for protection (that was a joke) . On the streets we only need to call the ever ready police to handle our problems (another joke) . by the way , 38 ss taurus p85 with +p's and ss s&w model 60 snubbie real close to me and my wife at home.
 
Vorpal Blade said:
A vote for 12Ga:- You don't need to carry alot of ammo. It is good for small game with shot; Big game with buckshot or slugs. And for SD, very decisive.
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in theory, yes.

Tell me, please, how you'll allocate your rounds. IE; how many #6 shot, how many slugs, how many 00 Buck.

What circumstances will dictate what rounds to unload/load ?

What would be your total round count ?

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mblackfu said:
i am sorry fella's about such a broad question.
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Not a problem. I'm sure you had in YOUR head what you meant at the time!

However, the rest of us do not.

So, since you posed the question, could you make it more specific, please?

Thanks !

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straitshot said:
L.w.- Az, Nm, Ut, Co.
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Straitshot, thanks. I had no idea that if a person were out in the boonies in those States, without a hunting license, but carrying a centerfire firearm, he/she would be thrown in jail.

Guess the Inalienable Right of Self Defense doesn't apply in those States unless one has a hunting license.

Oh well, come to Idaho. You don't have to have a hunting license to carry a firearm out in the boonies in Idaho. :thumbup:

L.W.
 
I always find these threads interesting. The best survival firearm is the one your highly profecient with and have in your possession when it is required. Given the context of bush survival, something that can take game and still be suitable enough for SD against 2 legged and 4 legged animals. I don't usually wander into the bush with a AK slung, or a shotgun. A break down rifle will not be available in a SD situation. For me that means a Pistol. I want something that is accurate, can be fired with either hand, is easy to handle under stress, has a flat trajectory (for long range shooting), can deal suitable amounts of damage on impact and is decently light weight, isn't terribly expensive because it will get scratched up and submerged in water, and is easy to maintain in the field.

All in all I carry a Ruger Security Six with a 4" barrel. I carry a .38 wad cutter in the first chamber and hot .357 hand loads in the other 5. It cost me around 200 bucks used. It holds 3.5" groups from Ransom@50m, and I have shot Javalina beyond 100 yards with iron sights. To me it is decently easy to carry and I know that when I need it it will be there. For me it is the best compromise for what I know I can carry all the time and will be versitile enough to handle the jobs that I will require of it.

Now if moose and Grizzlies were wandering around my backyard, I may change the tune a bit. If I knew zombies were attacking, or that I was going to have to go primitive for years before hand, that would certaintly have an impact on my choices also.

Just my .02
 
I can't speak for NM, UT, or CO but I'm a former resident of Arizona and, in general, thrashing about the wilderness with most any type of firearm is perfectly alright. Given the variety of two legged varmints you might encounter in AZ it's actually all but mandatory.

Hell, Arizona is an open carry state. You can walk down city streets wearing a hogleg in a quickdraw holster if that floats your boat. People may chuckle at you (although AZ is cowboy country it is also Col. Cooper country so a 1911 in a belt slide is de riguer) and some LEO's might hassle you about 'distrubing the peace' (I guarantee Phoenix PD will) but packing heat is not a crime.

There may be some restrictions on State game lands, but that's a pretty specific exception and you aren't even supposed to be on them at all unless you already have a fishing/hunting license anyway.
 
Very good response David :thumbup:

Can I take 2 guns, do I have to carry my gun many, many miles. Am I foraging from a base camp or my home, can I have a cache. How long will I have to use my gun for foraging, zombie killing etc.

For any situation I can see getting myself in, either my 22/45 with 200 assorted LRs or my 20 bore with 20 #6s, 5 Brenneke slugs, and 5 lead bbs, should see me safely out of the woods and back home with a full belly. Both without IMO carrying too much weight. The 22 is much lighter and so is the ammo but the shotgun is pretty much a sure thing, every shot is meat in the pot, and with fishing gear ammo should last a long time. Chris
 
runningboar said:
Very good response David :thumbup:

Can I take 2 guns, do I have to carry my gun many, many miles. Am I foraging from a base camp or my home, can I have a cache. How long will I have to use my gun for foraging, zombie killing etc.
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Those are some questions that need clarification !

As the answers to those questions would shape the answers to which gun(s) would be "best"

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I have a bunch of guns that I consider survival specialists



The class of the field is the Savage 24C 22LR/ 20 Gauge. It shoots 20 Gauge into 3" groups at 70 yards and the 22 is very accurate.

The M6 is also very good though the 410 is a bit limited. I load 50 grain bullets in the Hornet barrel and I figure I could take a moose/caribou at 100 yards if need be.

The little chipmunk at top is light and accurate and my next vone will be in the 22Mag for added punch
 
I have a good number of guns and hunt with rifles, pistols and shotguns. However, in a wilderness survival situation away from a vehicle, and if I could only have one, it would by my Ruger MkII Gov't w/ 7.5" barrel. My 20g OU with a game bag of assorted shells or my TI barreled 10/22 would be great, but the MkII is something that can be part of a fairly compact SK. My Walther P22 may work in my PSK, just need to practice more with it. Traveling, heck, I always have a lot of toys.

Civil unrest would be different story.
tjg
 
takedown recurve bow with a 45lb draw and 6 arrows with assted heads judo points field points and broad heads. takes down nice is light stows in a pack never jams, can be brough t in to parks doesn't carry the same stigma as a fire arm ammo is reusable and with practice it can take any sized game even fish with minor mods Although I am a beginner and am centuries of practice shy of the level it would take to use this as a survival tool I one day hope to replace my woods guns with a set up like that.
 
RescueRiley said:
takedown recurve bow with a 45lb draw and 6 arrows with assted heads judo points field points and broad heads. one day hope to replace my woods guns with a set up like that.
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Last time hog hunting, any bow would not have been able to make it into the thick brush and bramble we had to go in to get to the hogs.

But the thought of a bow is appealing.

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