Survival gun.

In case you guys don't know, Kel Tec's got a RMR 30 (rifle) set to release later this year. Handled it at SHOT, and it's a perfect combo of weight, size, and firepower. I'm very excited about it. They say it shouldn't take long to get to full production, because the action is essentially the same as the pistol.
 
vwspdshp said:
In case you guys don't know, Kel Tec's got a RMR 30 (rifle) set to release later this year. Handled it at SHOT, and it's a perfect combo of weight, size, and firepower. I'm very excited about it. They say it shouldn't take long to get to full production, because the action is essentially the same as the pistol.
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yeah, i just said that. i know i know i know! :D :D :D :D

i want i want i want!

also want to see 60 round magazines for that...
 
but on the topic of a SURVIVAL gun... whatever you have with you, with the most ammunition, will do the job... portability, reliability, accessibility are key. don't have it with you, or packed, you're not going to use it.

as people keep saying regular .22LR [hollowpoint] severely underrated. you can hunt most food animals in north amercia with that with ease. i said most, not all. you're not going moose, elk, bear with that, and those would not necessarily be survival food animals. you can take a deer with one, but largely, you're going to be taking rabbits, all manner of groud and tree rats, birds, snakes, and such. probably would discourage more than a few critters from eating you.
 
I totally disagree with the notion that a rifle is the ultimate survival arm. The pump action shotgun is. You can carry a variety of shot that will take anything from deer at close range, to squirrel and bird. And taking birds is pretty important since they are pretty much everywhere and easy to process. It's hard to kill a bird with a rifled projectile.

Of course, you also have slugs to take game at greater range than what the shot will cover. And a shotgun is a better defense arm than a rifle, all around.
 
komondor said:
I totally disagree with the notion that a rifle is the ultimate survival arm. The pump action shotgun is. You can carry a variety of shot that will take anything from deer at close range, to squirrel and bird. And taking birds is pretty important since they are pretty much everywhere and easy to process. It's hard to kill a bird with a rifled projectile.

Of course, you also have slugs to take game at greater range than what the shot will cover. And a shotgun is a better defense arm than a rifle, all around.
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a 1 liter nalgene bottle will hold something like 1000 rounds of .22LR, and a light weight 22 rifle with folding stock will take you a long ways.

it really depends on what you have, is it with you, and can you use it?

for a pre-packed BOB for SHTF, you can have a perfect scenario.

for an emergency bail out, where you might be stranded for days or weeks, it's what you got.

me? i want them ALL if i had a base camp :)

otherwise, i'd want a pistol/rifle combo that used the same ammo.

towards that end, perhaps something like a 9mm Glock and a KelTec SU2000?

a 1 liter nalgene will hold more than a few hundred rounds of 9mm, and while heavy, is pretty compact bit of kit.
 
Crap! Single best survival gun is a pump action 12 gauge in my opinion. Slugs or shot, it's an all purpose gun good for personal defense or hunting from birds to bigger game not to metion the 12 gauge is a very wide spread round and so it would be readily available because it was so common. Bunch of other stuff is arguably decent but nothing compares to a reliable, accurate, all purpose shotgun if you have to choose just one.
 
stsparky said:
Who has experience with the Henry Survival Rifle?
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I just recently got one. I have shot about 50 rounds through it so far with no malfunctions. The roll pin on the screw that holds the stock and the receiver together fell out, but I just put it back in and added a few drops of superglue.

Not sure about the accuracy, I haven't used it with a scope yet.
 
The gun that won the west was not a Winchester or Henry repeater but a single or double barrel 12 Ga shotgun. They have very short actions and break down to two parts that fit in a BOB. They shoot anything from small shot to double O or a slug that will change the mind of a bear (or anything that may mean harm to you) and will get anything that moves for chow at 50 yards - pound for pound you cant carry anything better. (Try to get a bird in flight with a .22 or .223)
It was good enough for the pioneers - its good enough for me Cheers
 
stsparky said:
Who has experience with the Henry Survival Rifle?
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I also have a Henry survival. It has reasonable reliability and minute-of-squirrel accuracy, but I would always take my stainless M6 ahead of it.

DancesWithKnives
 
cukros1 said:
The gun that won the west was not a Winchester or Henry repeater but a single or double barrel 12 Ga shotgun. They have very short actions and break down to two parts that fit in a BOB. They shoot anything from small shot to double O or a slug that will change the mind of a bear (or anything that may mean harm to you) and will get anything that moves for chow at 50 yards - pound for pound you cant carry anything better. (Try to get a bird in flight with a .22 or .223)
It was good enough for the pioneers - its good enough for me Cheers
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I agree that a shotgun is a very versatile choice. I only have one shotgun with adjustable chokes and I don't think I can shoot slugs with that barrel. Can you shoot slugs with some of the adjustable choke guns on the market? If not, you'll need to bring an extra barrel w/ a cylinder bore/slug bore for slugs or get a double with one of the barrels bored out to cyl.

If you have the money to spend you could always go for a drilling. Best of both worlds. Savage 24 in 12 GA over .223 would be good too and a lot cheaper if you can find one. Are single shot rifles heavily regulated down under?

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Corrected myself above. The 24 didn't come in a .308 version. Savage did market a couple models with .308 and .30-06 over 12GA (made by Valmet and Marocchi), but they're pretty pricey now.
 
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Curious about pack-ability and simplicity of use. Love those parachute shotguns, wish they were legal here in my home state.
 
DNK: You should call the manufacturer about use of slugs. However, my interchangeable choke shotguns will accommodate most slugs if you use the more open choke. If I had an older shotgun with a fixed choke that was tight (like full), I would avoid slugs. Otherwise, the manufacturer ought to be able to point you toward slugs that will safely function.

The best production defensive slugs I've personally used came from www.dixieslugs.com. Next best were probably the Rottweill Brennekes. Of course, you might get better hunting performance out of a sabot slug.

DancesWithKnives
 
Personaly, I have a ccw. I always have a pistol with me. I have a CZ-82 in my bag that stays there. Whenever I am leaving the city limits I have a NEF single shot 12 ga that goes with me. The gun is light and reliable. I take a small assortment of shells with me, slugs, bird shot, and buck shot. It has been serving me well for the last 15 years. I would use it to mostly hunt food but for defense in a pinch. Plus I have my self defense pistol.


mlrs
 
I know my Mossberg will handle slugs no problem (cylinder bore). My AL-2 has interchangeable chokes, but I wouldn't shoot slugs through it. What I was trying to get at was that although versatile, a shotgun with a single barrel or choke doesn't necessarily do slugs and shot well, just maybe well enough.
 
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