Survivalist's love of "batoning" with a knife seems abusive & impractical

kaotikross said:
I'm not saying batoning is bad, but.. I've spent a lot of time in the woods and I have NEVER seen a scenario where there was ample wood available for batoning but no smaller wood for kindling. (I.E. twigs, small branches, deadwood). I'be built many woods campfires and never had any trouble finding deadwood to "prop & stomp" into smaller pieces. Using force to basically smack what may be the ONE sharp tool one may have available through wood seems a bit chancey to me, although on a recreational, non-survival situation, I suppose to each his/her own. I'd bet some money that batoning is HIGHLY recommend as a way to "test knives", lol, of course,it falls under "abuse" and guess what happens during failure? The user can buy another knife. :D If ANYONE can show me even ONE guarantee of a knife being "baton proof", I'd like to see it, but you won't find it. So, if makers/companies show these videos but WON'T offer a "baton guarantee", what does that tell the end user? Put on the thinking caps, folks. ;)
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Will pass over Busse, which guarantees against ANY "unintentional" major damage, and go to lesser warranties.

I guarantee that each Turley marked knife is made by my two hands (or my wife in the case of some sheaths) and that each one is free from making defects that might cause failure. If any defect is found while used as intended, simply return the knife to me for fixing or replacing as long as I am making knives. No matter if you are the first owner or not, the knife is guaranteed as long as I am making knives.



Each piece of gear I make will be free of any making defect, if not return it unused for a full refund. Normal wear and tear on soft items such as packs, chest rigs etc is not covered under this warranty.

Each knife will come with a certificate of authenticity, this will include important information that should stay with the knife should you decide to part with it. At the bottom of the sheet it will state the intended use of that particular knife. The uses defined as follows:
Each knife will come with a certificate of authenticity, this will include important information that should stay with the knife should you decide to part with it. At the bottom of the sheet it will state the intended use of that particular knife. The uses defined as follows:

Woodsman’s knife: includes hard use such as batoning and light prying
Heavy combat knife: includes hard use such as batoning and prying Combat knife: includes hard use such as batoning and light prying Light use woodsman’s knife: usually termed “light use” due to the sharper tipped profile. The uses warrantied include batoning but no prying with the tip.

Heavy combat knife: includes hard use such as batoning and prying

Combat knife: includes hard use such as batoning and light prying

Light use woodsman’s knife: usually termed “light use” due to the sharper tipped profile. The uses warrantied include batoning but no prying with the tip.

Hunting knife: This knife would be built to excel at cutting and slicing meat therefore is not warrantied for batoning or prying.

“Batoning” is assumed to be done with a wooden baton. It does not include rock, metal, a hammer or your axe or hatchet.
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From Bark River Knives Guide (Regarding "Aurora" model ("CPM 3V or an A-2 steel blade that has 4.250 inches in length and has a blade thickness of 0.217 inches")

Putting the Aurora Knife to Work

The Aurora knife was designed for bushcraft tasks. One of the first things most knife enthusiasts like to do with any Bark River knife is to make a baton with a little weight to it. This knife will make peeling the baton`s bark a breeze. It will cut through all the small knots without finding any problems. Going down to the harder part of the wood, the Bark River Aurora knife will again shape the baton with almost no effort.
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Adventure Sworn knives:

A bushcraft knife is a knife which can be used in the wilderness for any wilderness task. A few common examples of tasks associated with bushcraft are building shelters, carving (tent pegs, walking sticks, canoe paddles, hunting weapons, etc), building camp furniture, slicing up your food, filleting fish, processing large and small game, whittling out traps, making your own fishing devices such as hooks and nets, carving out pot suspension rigs, gathering firewood, creating feathersticks, splitting and processing firewood, creating fire by friction, striking firesteels, gathering herbs and plant resources... the list goes on. Most Adventure Sworn knives are primarily designed to excel at woodcarving above all other tasks. There are some exceptions to this of course, depending on the specifications of the knife. . . .

But if you wanted to carve a spoon from a piece of wood, or baton a log into sections and make feathersticks, a fillet knife simply wouldn't suffice. A more rigid knife, ground specifically for the task would be ideal (the Voyageur model would work great for a fisherman who also does bushcraft). These knives are meant to fill that type of gap....

The Convex grind is basically the opposite of a scandi. This grind starts high-up the blade, and gradually steepens in angle until the final edge is met. This creates somewhat of a bullet-shape to it's geometry. The convex grind's primary strong point is that it holds an outstanding edge. Part of this reason is that the final edge can be made steeper due to the rest of the blade's profile being ground thinner. Also, there is no significant shoulder on the convex grind, making it a good choice for slicing chores such as meat, fish and food prep (especially when done on a thin blade). The lack of a shoulder also makes it bite deep while batonning and chopping, useful for splitting or truncating wood (especially when done on a thick blade).[and more along those lines]
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JParanee said:
Red

Just having some fun with Tuco23 :)

I love Colorado
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Me, too, although I've only been to visit friends a couple of times. I did some hiking in some parts, but hiking is physically problematic for me. No good cure yet for bad knees and a bad back at a young age. But I'd rather wear em out then not use em. ;)
 
RedLynx said:
Me, too, although I've only been to visit friends a couple of times. I did some hiking in some parts, but hiking is physically problematic for me. No good cure yet for bad knees and a bad back at a young age. But I'd rather wear em out then not use em. ;)
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I hear you there. :thumbup:

I used to do a lot of hiking etc, but these days with my injury I can't do it anymore sadly.

Camping in a camp ground maybe if the rest rooms aren't too far to walk.

I have a hard time walking across a Wal Mart without pain.
 
RedLynx said:
Cool pics but I feel you don't think much of the weekend camping trips? :p
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Not at all red

I do a lot of it with my kids and I ride my Enduro to archery shoots

I take the kids and dogs down the river and we find islands and camp on them

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I just bring the right tools :)


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My big problem is that I burn 13 cords a winter and process ot by hand

For we burning wood at home is such a chore when I'm out in the bush I'm not making a hobby out of making a fire

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Ankerson said:
I hear you there. :thumbup:

I used to do a lot of hiking etc, but these days with my injury I can't do it anymore sadly.

Camping in a camp ground maybe if the rest rooms aren't too far to walk.

I have a hard time walking across a Wal Mart without pain.
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So do I, Jim.

I've managed to condition myself (sounds cooler when you say it that way) to be able to walk longer and farther, but a couple hours spent at Wally World is hard, much as it pains me to admit that, being a pretty young guy at the ripe age of 27. I can stand for several hours if need be which is nice, although the joints tend to lock up terribly if I do that. I was out with a friend for New Year's Eve and the very strong and cold winds slowed me a lot. I had to use two walking canes rather than my usual one, and I hate to do that, I really do. Objectively it's better than hobbling along with one and it probably looks better but I just don't like it.

If I happen to do shopping that coincides with my mother and she is with me, I'll try to get one of the electric carts. I dislike them as well and prefer to let other people who need them more, use them, but if my mother is around, it's just easier to humor her and use the cart....

Not sobbing or anything, just swapping a couple of experiences.
 
RedLynx said:
Great pics! It's cool you are into archery also.
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Thank you

Ive always been recurve shooter and I ride my bike to shoots and usually try and camp at campsites near the shoot

I have been using a Hammock lately and I really like it

I got used to them and when its not to cold they are easy

Here is a decent buck I took this year

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Archery/bow hunting would be my favorite type by far, were I able to do it.

As I'm disabled I'm actually eligible for a crossbow license in my state (and apparently you have to be disabled to have one here for some reason, or so my hunting relatives tell me).
 
RedLynx said:
So do I, Jim.

I've managed to condition myself (sounds cooler when you say it that way) to be able to walk longer and farther, but a couple hours spent at Wally World is hard, much as it pains me to admit that, being a pretty young guy at the ripe age of 27. I can stand for several hours if need be which is nice, although the joints tend to lock up terribly if I do that. I was out with a friend for New Year's Eve and the very strong and cold winds slowed me a lot. I had to use two walking canes rather than my usual one, and I hate to do that, I really do. Objectively it's better than hobbling along with one and it probably looks better but I just don't like it.

If I happen to do shopping that coincides with my mother and she is with me, I'll try to get one of the electric carts. I dislike them as well and prefer to let other people who need them more, use them, but if my mother is around, it's just easier to humor her and use the cart....

Not sobbing or anything, just swapping a couple of experiences.
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Sorry to hear that and you are only 27. :(

I refuse to get one of the carts I just stop for a few mins if it starts to hurt too bad.

Stooping and bending kills me though almost instantly.

Still waiting on my disability to go through.
 
Ankerson said:
Sorry to hear that and you are only 27. :(

I refuse to get one of the carts I just stop for a few mins if it starts to hurt too bad.

Stooping and bending kills me though almost instantly.

Still waiting on my disability to go through.
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I hope it comes through soon. I was born that way but if you're not and you become disabled later in life it can be its own hassle. In some ways, although I am young, I do feel that it's better this way, than to become disabled later in life... pros and cons for both I think.

Squatting/crouching is difficult for me as well, I try to practice it though.

I also prefer to avoid the carts and I do.... but like most men here, I know that it's easier to sometimes just do what your mother says, no matter how old you get. ;)
 
RedLynx said:
Archery/bow hunting would be my favorite type by far, were I able to do it.

As I'm disabled I'm actually eligible for a crossbow license in my state (and apparently you have to be disabled to have one here for some reason, or so my hunting relatives tell me).
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Red

Crossbow hunting is awesome and I love all sorts of hunting

What state are you in ?

I am in Pa and if I can help get you out there I am all in. I'm a sponsored Hunter so I can help with discounts or anything you need

We can put you in a blind with a crossbow and get after it :)
 
RedLynx said:
I hope it comes through soon. I was born that way but if you're not and you become disabled later in life it can be its own hassle. In some ways, although I am young, I do feel that it's better this way, than to become disabled later in life... pros and cons for both I think.

Squatting/crouching is difficult for me as well, I try to practice it though.

I also prefer to avoid the carts and I do.... but like most men here, I know that it's easier to sometimes just do what your mother says, no matter how old you get. ;)
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Yes I was 48 when I got hurt.

I think you are right, pros and cons.
 
JParanee said:
Red

Crossbow hunting is awesome and I love all sorts of hunting

What state are you in ?

I am in Pa and if I can help get you out there I am all in. I'm a sponsored Hunter so I can help with discounts or anything you need

We can put you in a blind with a crossbow and get after it :)
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Thanks mate, that's a kind offer. I live in Iowa, so we have our fair share of critters as well. My cousin just took his 11 year old squirrel hunting... they got 3 squirrels, all bagged by the young 'un. ;)

My parents live on a farm (although they don't really farm the land, my father just likes to be away from the city) and have had to deal with coyotes, raccoons, and moles. We have a lot of traffic accidents with deer as well, because they are so plentiful, even in the more urban areas.
 
Ankerson said:
Yes I was 48 when I got hurt.

I think you are right, pros and cons.
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I hope you are doing okay Jim, I know learning to adjust can be tough. Although I've always been this way, a major surgery 11 years ago made it quite a bit worse, and it took a long time to adjust to that. In some ways I don't think I'll ever get back to where I was. Spent about 8 weeks with my entire lower body completely immobilized, and it was very torturous.

(Sorry to derail the thread)
 
JParanee said:
The places I go I cant park my car and go for a walk :)

Please go back to talking about your weekend camping trips :)
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I agree with you about respecting tools. It looks like you have gone on some nice safaris in your lifetime. Not everyone can afford to do that. If all someone can do is go on weekend camping trips, it's still infinitely better than doing nothing. The older I get, the more I realize there is more than one way to get something done. Everyone has to follow their own path, and we learn from our mistakes. No matter what you like to use, it's good to keep an open mind.
 
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