Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Infi-del said:
Ahhh don’t be such a spoiled sport and put people down because they don’t feel the same way you do.

Like I said earlier… not everyone reads the entire life history of a company when they choose to buy a product. I have no idea if Honda has ever screwed anyone over… I bought their product because I believe it’s a good product. And to date it has been. As much as they might be to you… knives are no different. They’re a tool… a product. You wanna attach some special meaning to them otherwise… that’s your thing and that’s cool. But it’s not a universal standard. You guys act like religious zealots.

Is SK! Wrong for anyone they’ve wronged? Sure. But there’s nothing wrong with other people choosing to want their product just because it goes against YOUR standard. Not everyone is a “True Scotsman”. Not everyone obsesses over a company’s history when choosing a product. it’s always possible they might get burned. But they’ll have to cross that bridge when they get to it.

You know why I made an SK! order knowing the reputation they had here? Because I’ve been here long enough to know how tribal, cliquey, and nasty BF can be. So I don’t take all the ridiculous 4 year hate-fest threads seriously. I chose to believe the folks that claimed SK! was honestly trying to improve instead. And my experience certainly went sideways. But I got my product that I paid for. So I count that as a win for me.
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I guess if you think you know the minds of all the individuals for whom your* writing about, you can generalize them as zealots. Does not mean much outside of the story you tell yourself every day about survive.

Since you like lump individuals into a collective us or them, try this one: most people don't zealously tell strangers to support a known shady business of thieves, despite whatever new marketing or PR push Guy/survice are attempting to conjure. If Honda, was stealing from the customers, would you advocate to anyone, or those you might care about, to go ahead and spend considerably money at the risk of losing it for years or longer?

*you're
 
Hurrul said:
I guess if you think you know the minds of all the individuals for whom your* writing about, you can generalize them as zealots. Does not mean much outside of the story you tell yourself every day about survive.

Since you like lump individuals into a collective us or them, try this one: most people don't zealously tell strangers to support a known shady business of thieves, despite whatever new marketing or PR push Guy/survice are attempting to conjure. If Honda, was stealing from the customers, would you advocate to anyone, or those you might care about, to go ahead and spend considerably money at the risk of losing it for years or longer?

*you're
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A lot of assumptions here. Those I refer to as sounding like zealots have made nasty comments in this very thread about people who don’t share the views in the thread and still buy SK! Products. Comments like having “Guy’s genitals in their mouth”, or other gay-bashing statements. being shills, having no integrity, no honor, and “ball washing”? So I’m not lumping groups of people… they’re lumping themselves. If it quacks like a duck right?

I’m not suggesting anyone support anything. People can make their own choices. And when you buy something you should take every precaution not to get burned. Like I said… you feel your way and that’s cool. That’s your thing. I’m not insinuating that you’re gay (in a negative context), or stupid, or lacking in integrity or honor, blah blah blah for seeing things differently. But I am suggesting you approach your stance like a zealot. You and I disagree about SK! That’s cool. I don’t think you’re a lessor person for it. That’s the difference.
 
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Infi-del said:
A lot of assumptions here. Those I refer to as sounding like zealots have made nasty comments in this very thread about people who don’t share the views in the thread and still buy SK! Products. Comments like having “Guy’s genitals in their mouth”, or other gay-bashing statements. being shills, having no integrity, no honor, and “ball washing”? So I’m not lumping groups of people… they’re lumping themselves. If it quacks like a duck right?

I’m not suggesting anyone support anything. People can make their own choices. And when you buy something you should take every precaution not to get burned. Like I said… you feel your way and that’s cool. That’s your thing. I’m not insinuating that you’re gay (in a negative context), or stupid, or lacking in integrity or honor, blah blah blah for seeing things differently. But I am suggesting you approach your stance like a zealot. You and I disagree about SK! That’s cool. I don’t think you’re a lessor person for it. That’s the difference.
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Once again, you don't have a reasonable argument to my question, so why not deflect?

You know nothing of the scammed individuals minds, and labeling folks in this thread zealots, because they don't agree with you, is no different than any other clever pejorative you've used, or others have used.

My response was to your post about new survive followers.

Surely, you don't think using zealot to label and dismiss a group of individuals is a compliment?

I never insinuated you were anything - if I thought you were a fan, follower, a simpering and fawning lover of survive, I would have stated it clearly. Remember, you saw only a"veiled threat" in one of my earlier posts in this thread, so, do keep on spinning your opinions and suspicions, as I don't see objectivity in your words, only stirring the pot for the attention of internet strangers.

Thought you were bored with this thread, anyway?
 
I own two seconds, an old model 4.1 and new model 7/7, and couldn't be happier. S/K! was great to me, but damn! There's no way there should be orders pending from 2015...or 2016/17 for that matter. They should resolve those immediately IMHO. They make a fantastic knife. Lets get this old stuff resolved and move on already!
 
Hurrul said:
Once again, you don't have a reasonable argument to my question, so why not deflect?
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Reasonable to whom? Again… your standard?

Hurrul said:
You know nothing of the scammed individuals minds
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I’ve never claimed to. And they have the right to feel however they wanna feel about it. I don’t think that makes them gay, stupid, dishonorable, or lacking in integrity. If you’ve personally been wronged you can feel however you wanna feel about it.


Hurrul said:
, and labeling folks in this thread zealots, because they don't agree with you, is no different than any other clever pejorative you've used, or others have used.
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Not labeling anyone for disagreeing. I am labeling some for attacking and or insulting those who disagree with them. And zealot just means someone who is so obsessed with an ideal as to be fanatical about. Maybe to the point of attacking folks.


Hurrul said:
I never insinuated you were anything - if I thought you were a fan, follower, a simpering and fawning lover of survive, I would have stated it clearly. Remember, you saw only a"veiled threat" in one of my earlier posts in this thread, so, do keep on spinning your opinions and suspicions, as I don't see objectivity in your words, only stirring the pot for the attention of internet strangers.

Thought you were bored with this thread, anyway?
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Like I said no need to be a spoiled sport and lash out at folks that don’t see things your way. What does “ball washing” mean? Is it a bowling reference? And sometimes I like to see the side show. Sue me.
 
Infi-del said:
Reasonable to whom? Again… your standard?



I’ve never claimed to. And they have the right to feel however they wanna feel about it. I don’t think that makes them gay, stupid, dishonorable, or lacking in integrity. If you’ve personally been wronged you can feel however you wanna feel about it.




Not labeling anyone for disagreeing. I am labeling some for attacking and or insulting those who disagree with them. And zealot just means someone who is so obsessed with an ideal as to be fanatical about. Maybe to the point of attacking folks.




Like I said no need to be a spoiled sport and lash out at folks that don’t see things your way. What does “ball washing” mean? Is it a bowling reference? And sometimes I like to see the side show. Sue me
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No need to be trolling this thread for some feels. You're better than that, plus, you and Webster know what the word zealot means.

Keep up the innocent act if it helps you feel smart; it all feeds the algorithm that searchs for this thread. I'm grateful you wish to participate in this thread, thus helping it remain relevant for the greater understanding of this duplicitous business.
 
Hurrul said:
No need to be trolling this thread for some feels. You're better than that, plus, you and Webster know what the word zealot means.

Keep up the innocent act if it helps you feel smart; it all feeds the algorithm that searchs for this thread. I'm grateful you wish to participate in this thread, thus helping it remain relevant for the greater understanding of this duplicitous business.
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Innocent of what?

As I stated earlier. I chose to buy from Survive in spite of this thread. Primarily because of the behavior of some of it’s participants. If you guys are truly here to perform a community service… maybe keep that in mind.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Well at least we know it’s not by virtue of S!K product quality.
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Untrue. They make a fine product. I’ve enjoyed them very much and they have performed very well. It’s true enough I prefer their 1st Gen patterns more. But the new stuff is finely made. I have one new spec 6 I held onto because of that fact. Just didn’t need 4 of them.
 
jdk1 said:
I own two seconds, an old model 4.1 and new model 7/7, and couldn't be happier. S/K! was great to me, but damn! There's no way there should be orders pending from 2015...or 2016/17 for that matter. They should resolve those immediately IMHO. They make a fantastic knife. Lets get this old stuff resolved and move on already!
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Too late. The thing some people don't seem to get is there is no.moving on from a lack of integrity.
 
Hurrul said:
No need to be trolling this thread for some feels. You're better than that, plus, you and Webster know what the word zealot means.

Keep up the innocent act if it helps you feel smart; it all feeds the algorithm that searchs for this thread. I'm grateful you wish to participate in this thread, thus helping it remain relevant for the greater understanding of this duplicitous business.
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That's the thing I like the most, every post in this thread keeps it at or near the top for many search engines. That means that a few people won't get scammed by this merry band of misfits.
 
jdk1 said:
There's no way there should be orders pending from 2015...or 2016/17 for that matter. They should resolve those immediately IMHO. They make a fantastic knife. Lets get this old stuff resolved and move on already!
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They've made little to no effort to resolve their backlog. They've repeatedly made claims that the backlog would be resolved in months, weeks, days. The latest pie chart shows that the majority of open orders are from 2020 (21%), 2021 (26%) and 2022 (34%). I don't see how it's possible for them to catch up on the backlog when they keep taking new orders.
 
Infi-del said:
Primarily because of the behavior of some of it’s participants.
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Infi-del said:
Untrue. They make a fine product. I’ve enjoyed them very much and they have performed very well. It’s true enough I prefer their 1st Gen patterns more. But the new stuff is finely made. I have one new spec 6 I held onto because of that fact. Just didn’t need 4 of them.
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So then the above quote was an untrue statement with the intent to be inflammatory? You understand that makes you a troll.
 
Infi-del said:
You know why I made an SK! order knowing the reputation they had here? Because I’ve been here long enough to know how tribal, cliquey, and nasty BF can be. So I don’t take all the ridiculous 4 year hate-fest threads seriously.
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Infi-del said:
As I stated earlier. I chose to buy from Survive in spite of this thread. Primarily because of the behavior of some of it’s participants.
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And there we have it folks. The real reason for this troll-fest. This low integrity bridge dweller is supporting criminals out of spite because the big bad meanies at BF hurt his feels. Good job ya'll. It's all your fault.

😁 :D :);)

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Infi-del said:
Innocent of what?

As I stated earlier. I chose to buy from Survive in spite of this thread. Primarily because of the behavior of some of it’s participants. If you guys are truly here to perform a community service… maybe keep that in mind.
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Multiple people have come forward and said that they avoided Survive because of this thread highlighting their years of continued shenanigans and lies.

You don't like the people or how they behave in this thread so you ignored their warnings and trusted the people that have been pushing the same BS for years.

Said company does not deliver as promised so you open a PayPal claim to eventually get your item.

I think this thread is working as intended. Now only if Survive worked as intended.
 
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