Survive GSO 2.7?

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I'm debating a GSO 2.7 or 3.5. I'm seeing a few 2.7's show up in the secondhand market but, I don't recall any 3.5's.

Is the GSO 2.7 just a passing fad that doesn't work out for people in real life? Maybe too little blade length with handle/guard height to get good use of the whole cutting edge? Something else?

Does the GSO 3.5 fit most people better in real-world use?

I should note that I'm in a rural setting so, I'm not overly concerned with short blades for legal reasons and Texas has revised its blade laws to be more lenient on carrying something much larger than a smallish fixed blade.

TIA,
Sid
 
The Survive Knives I’ve had have been exceptional. I’m not sure why they can’t seem to pull it together and get they’re manufacturing together enough to have some idea of lead times but they have always struggled with it. The 3.5 is a great small fixed blade. I’ve not tried the smaller one but I’m sure it’s good if you can deal with the small handle. I have the 4.7 and it’s pretty much a perfect all around worker. If one of the new designs of 3.5s pop up is buy it immediately. The Carothers edc would be a great option but they are almost as hard to come by. One thing to note is that I’m pretty anal with my sheaths and I very much dislike both of the stock ones.
 
I'm debating a GSO 2.7 or 3.5. I'm seeing a few 2.7's show up in the secondhand market but, I don't recall any 3.5's.

Is the GSO 2.7 just a passing fad that doesn't work out for people in real life? Maybe too little blade length with handle/guard height to get good use of the whole cutting edge? Something else?

Does the GSO 3.5 fit most people better in real-world use?

I should note that I'm in a rural setting so, I'm not overly concerned with short blades for legal reasons and Texas has revised its blade laws to be more lenient on carrying something much larger than a smallish fixed blade.

TIA,
Sid
The knives themselves are likely fine (though not my cup of tea aesthetically). That said, survive as a company is more than untrustworthy. Don't count on the company being there to back up their product should you have an issue. I'd spend my money elsewhere. Cpk would be a much better choice.
 
I'm debating a GSO 2.7 or 3.5. I'm seeing a few 2.7's show up in the secondhand market but, I don't recall any 3.5's.

Is the GSO 2.7 just a passing fad that doesn't work out for people in real life? Maybe too little blade length with handle/guard height to get good use of the whole cutting edge? Something else?

Does the GSO 3.5 fit most people better in real-world use?

I should note that I'm in a rural setting so, I'm not overly concerned with short blades for legal reasons and Texas has revised its blade laws to be more lenient on carrying something much larger than a smallish fixed blade.

TIA,
Sid
I'm going to save a lot of posts by posting a link
Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

I've heard that the knives themselves are OK. The company that "manufactures" them is junk and most knife enthusiasts would not take one of their knives if you gave it to them for fear of supporting them in any way.

Now. That being said, ask your question.
 
Looks like I need to see if I can win the "Nate the Machinist" lottery.

To score a production knife from CPK (Carothers Performance Knives, owned and operated by Nathan & Jo Carothers) does not require the luck-of-the-Irish vis a vis a so-called lottery. Ever since CPK raised its prices across the board circa Feb 2018 and also ramped up its production, buying a knife from CPK has become much much easier and there have been many sales which have been slow enough for anyone who showed up on a said Friday's sale to score!

Sometimes Nathan runs preorders (not for everyone and not even Nathan's preferred method of doing business) and sometimes open orders which last a whole weekend. Additionally Nathan allows folks who can not make it to his Fridays sales to come to his sub-forum and as for a proxy bidder, meaning that someone with fast fingers will likely score for you and thereafter you will contact Nathan/Jo directly to arrange for payment and receive your knife. No additional fees, no tips and no quid-pro-quo! Frankly speaking, the notion that scoring a knife from Nathan is akin to winning the lottery has been redundant for quite a while now. There was a time that Nathan's knives used to sell well over their original prices on the secondary markets, even the Exchanges on here but those days are by and large over for the flippers and the speculators because CPK's price increases have made sure that CPK keeps most of the margins itself plus their supplies largely meets demands to :) The only time when it's very hard to score is when he offers something very limited which he refers to as "Fun Friday's sale" or when a pattern is like really new, this is all.

Now about your mail Q: I have had all the little GSOs and never cared for the 2.7. It's a tiny fella and probably a better camp knife for the fairer sex and/or a teen. Even if Survive! could deliver a friggin knife in time, I wouldn't bother with the 2.7 but that's just me. For a fella with L or larger hands, the 3.5 is the minimum I'd be suggesting if you can stomach the shenanigans in the topsy-turvy world of what is now the remnant of Survive! Knives. If you must buy one, get it second hand.

Lastly, there is a biggish price gap between CPK and Survive! which is not only because of the superior quality of CPK (on their smallest knives, CPK used D3V which is a tweaked HT of CPM-3V whereas Survive! used 20CV) but also the biggest factor being that CPK actually produces knives as promised and Survive! does not produce anything within anywhere near the timeframes promised!
 
You don't like the kydex from CPK? I love it but would be interested to hear what you dislike.

He's referring to the kydex sheaths (vertical & horizontal) which came with the CPK-EDC. Frankly, those Dozier designed and made sheath although adequate and functional, are not exception sheaths and no where worthy of the great CPK knives. These days most CPK sheath, if not all, are made by Eric Lund of the Mashed Cat fame and as most know already, he makes exceptional kydex sheaths. Eric was not commissioned to make sheaths for the EDC and the entire EDC pattern (original, 1 & 2) have all now been retired. The next smallish CPK (not that small at a tad over 4") will be the DEK1 which will debut sometimes in 2020.
 
Looks like I need to see if I can win the "Nate the Machinist" lottery.
I have had no problem getting any cpk I wanted (3 in Friday sales, 1 on the exchange). I also watch them on the secondary market with regularity. The secondary market prices are quite reasonable on standard models like the EDC, hdfk, and fk. All are far better options than anything survive has put out in many ways.
 
Thanks! It looks like "Lottery" might be an obsolete term now. A year or two ago I was looking to get a CPK knife but, got frustrated with constantly being beaten to the punch by someone not out in the country who had a faster internet connection and faster thread/forum skills (akin to what I see with younger relatives doing with their online games).

It's nice to know that a CPK knife is something an average 'joe' like myself can acquire.
 
He's referring to the kydex sheaths (vertical & horizontal) which came with the CPK-EDC. Frankly, those Dozier designed and made sheath although adequate and functional, are not exception sheaths and no where worthy of the great CPK knives. These days most CPK sheath, if not all, are made by Eric Lund of the Mashed Cat fame and as most know already, he makes exceptional kydex sheaths. Eric was not commissioned to make sheaths for the EDC and the entire EDC pattern (original, 1 & 2) have all now been retired. The next smallish CPK (not that small at a tad over 4") will be the DEK1 which will debut sometimes in 2020.
Oh I didn't realize that the EDC sheath was different. Thanks!
 
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Survive! does not produce anything.

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This is the most important thing to remember. All their parts are machined by other people, all Guy (allegedly) does is assembly, sharpening, and knocking the edges off scales.

The biggest thing: Nathan and Jo are good, honest, hardworking people, who make an excellent product, whereas Guy and Ellie are scam artist scumbags. An absolute universe of difference.
 
I'm debating a GSO 2.7 or 3.5. I'm seeing a few 2.7's show up in the secondhand market but, I don't recall any 3.5's.

Is the GSO 2.7 just a passing fad that doesn't work out for people in real life? Maybe too little blade length with handle/guard height to get good use of the whole cutting edge? Something else?

Does the GSO 3.5 fit most people better in real-world use?

I should note that I'm in a rural setting so, I'm not overly concerned with short blades for legal reasons and Texas has revised its blade laws to be more lenient on carrying something much larger than a smallish fixed blade.

TIA,
Sid
Hi Sid,

Survive! Knives is still in business, they are still producing knives, still honoring refunds, still honoring warranty requests, and, from the look of it, despite all the dire predictions of their doom from very early on in the company's history (Guy Seiferd started it in 2012, iirc), it seems that they will continue producing an EXCELLENT product with a well-backed warranty for many years to come (hopefully longer than Fehrman Knives lasted, although they got out of knives for other reasons). They have never stopped producing. Last I heard (which was awhile ago, since the S!K forum got nixed), Survive! itself was only 3-4 people including Guy and Ellie, and Guy was the only one doing the sharpening, and we have no idea how may knives they have been putting out every year. Survive! Knives get their steel from Niagara, it receives HT from Peters, and manufacturing takes place at Millit Knives in Meridian, ID where S!K is now located.I am not sure what of the Millit operations wouldn't be considered "in house" since I am not sure how much of a facility S!K still has apart from Millit's facility, but they have been doing their own surface-finishing, laser-etching, and knife-building since early on. Their materials and manufacturing are top-notch. Like CPK, Survive! uses the Delta protocol for their 3V blade, but the GSO-2.7 doesn't come in that steel, iirc. And unless or until you see Dan Keffeler or Mr. Carothers come on here calling the Seiferd's "scumbags", you can assume that those doing so are talking about people they don't know and may have had no actual negative encounters with personally. Oh, and their sheaths are also awesome. They continue to maintain their website and Instagram account and rarely but occasionally post to a private FB group. They can still be reached by phone and email.

But Survive! screwed-up big-time by taking too many orders while offering delivery times-lines they couldn't make, failing and then offering new timelines that they also couldn't make, and... and... yeah, they screwed up. And that's the problem, and while the product itself is usually EXCELLENT (especially for the price), well, Quiet typed it best previously:
So there's that. I will be accused of being a "shill" for Survive! because I have always had nothing but positive interactions with the Seiferds and continue to hope for their success. Their knives have been WAY below price-point for the quality, which led to their popularity and also to their eventual denigration from failure to deliver. But, as stated previously, they are still making and shipping knives.

Now, onto the 2.7. Honestly, I don't recommend this knife, but my account is based on the previous iteration - the new design is just that, a design, and unlikely to be produced in the near future as S!K still has a number of models in the pipeline and Millit isn't making them all at once. I haven't owned a 3.5 because I didn't like the design of the original and am waiting on the updated version which may or may not start shipping before 2020.
Here is my lengthy review of the 2.7 from the passaround back in 2016: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/survive-gso-2-7-passaround-review.1433784/
In the review, you will find video of me using the knife for all manner of cutting tasks as well as bashing it through steel roofing/gutter material. In addition, I did a lot of throwing with the knife.
Here is my post summarizing my thoughts on the 2.7: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/survive-gso-2-7-passaround-review.1433784/#post-16521325
Here is my final sentence on it:
Would I buy this knife? Personally, no. For the size, I would carry a folder with an appropriate blade and a handle of suitable thickness to suit the task at hand. For a fixed-blade this size, my primary use would be cutting tasks that prefer a thinner blade geometry or at least don't require the stoutness presented in the GSO-2.7 YMMV

I have other small blades not included in this comparison to the 2.7, but my first recommendation is that you check the Maker's - best place to find killer knives at an awesome price: https://www.bladeforums.com/forums/for-sale-fixed-blades.754/

Here is a photo of the 2.7 with other knives of similar size from that review:

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One more image - the blade on the right is from the Maker's section by Tim Johnson of Blackstone K&T. That knife isn't designed to be abused, but for most everyday tasks (opening bags/sacks, slicing rope, paper, slicing food/meat/veggies, processing/butchering) short of cutting wire/drywall/whittling hardwood it has been among the BEST knives I have ever used in its size. Not much use to you, since I am not selling it, but reasons I like it include the longer handle and, most especially, the thin edge-geometry: that knife is near FFG down to <0.010" behind the edge, a WICKED slicer. So in your search for a great smaller fixed blade, I STRONGLY recommend looking for something like that.

Here is an additional review of small fixed blades and folders I wrote to highlight that knife: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...s-and-a-timos-handmade-knife-feature.1169142/

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So there's that. I will be accused of being a "shill" for Survive! because I have always had nothing but positive interactions with the Seiferds and continue to hope for their success. Their knives have been WAY below price-point for the quality, which led to their popularity and also to their eventual denigration from failure to deliver. But, as stated previously, they are still making and shipping knives.

LOL at all of that:poop:
 
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