I'm going to be characteristically blunt here and say that my main issue with this big long post from you is that you are always seemingly handwaving away Guy and Ellie's shady and unethical business practices under the guise that golly, gee shucks, they're just some good folks who "got in over their heads". No, that's not what happened at all and I really, really wish you would stop attempting to spin this complete revision of their history. It's disingenuous, and no, your inference of "I will be accused of being a "shill" " as though that's incorrect (it isn't) and is just something people who want to argue will say, won't change that. You ARE a shill. Also, I can't help but wonder at the duplicity, or at least I didn't until I remembered that you actually make and sell a sheathe modification for S?K Knives. Oh yeah, heh, you're clearly an innocent bystander with no real stake in their success or failure, not at all.
Anyway, time to make sure the record is straight for those who may not feel like wading through the old threads outlining the duplicitous, crooked, fraudulent nature of Survive? Knives' garbage business practices.
To whomever's reading this, what
chiral.grolim
is NOT talking about (between all the rah-rah's for the knives) is how Guy and Ellie have no problem with frauding people. Firstly, they told people for years that they'd be getting their knives within 90 days, only to turn around and have people waiting for two years or longer (unless you were a shill who could bring them publicity, then somehow, you always got YOUR knife fast). It wasn't until huge and vocal constant outrage here on BF in their section forced their hand, that they changed it to a "You'll get it when you get it." timeframe. Also (and more importantly) they have the flat out unethical issue of selling each knife multiple times. For clarification, this means you and say, five thousand other people put in an order for the GSO Model 4.X. Great, then you're waiting for several months to a year with no real update when suddenly, GSO Model 4.X "Ugly Bettys" and "Seconds" start being offered for sale. At first, it's exciting, because hey, SURELY this means that those blanks are back at Guy's shop and that some of those knives had minor cosmetic damage, but you're glad that it logically means your knife is being worked on.
HA, NO. What it means is that they have run out of cash to buy groceries, pay their personal bills, and take vacations, so they need to drum up some new infusions of cash. So they do that by posting up some of these "seconds" for sale (all cash up front, please, thank you) with yet another lie of a delivery date. The fact is: these "seconds" are vaporware, just like the actual run of the knives. Neither exist yet. They just need more money. Simple as that. People have posted here many, many times about ordering one of these "seconds" and getting it a year or more later. What? It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to realize the suspect nature of that. A "second" or cosmetically rough product should actually be getting into your hand BEFORE the actual knives would ship out. I mean, right? That's how they would have known it was actually a blemished "second" in the first place, right? Am I talking crazy talk here or what?
Secondly, and more importantly, the fact that they keep churning out new designs when a lot of people still have not received knives from orders placed years ago. Yeeeeaaaaaarrrrrssssss AGO. That's because the money you and all those other folks paid them for those knives has long been spent (what? No, not on your knife, come on now LOL). If they don't come up with new designs for people to preorder (cash up front, please and thank you), then they would be effectively dead in the water.
Lastly, as Grolim said: "They continue to maintain their website and
Instagram account and rarely but occasionally post to a private FB group. They can still be reached by phone and email." Yeah, they basically have only two social media presences, both wherein they are able to strictly control any narrative. Anyone who joins and asks where their knife is at, or any question that's not 100% a glowing obseqious, rear-end kiss is immediately banned after the comment/question is deleted. When strict censorship is on the table, that usually means there are messages you don't want your followers seeing. Simple as that.
So, at the end of the day, understand this: Guy is not a magician. S?K Knives are not lightsabers. They will not cut better than other (much more readily available) knives. Those are facts that are not logically in dispute.
Given those facts, wouldn't you rather spend your money with a more reputable maker? Buy a S?K knife on the secondary market if you must, but do so with the understanding that the "lifetime warranty" is effectively worthless. It's worthless. Just like Survive?! Knives.
Don't listen to spin-peddlers who are trying to reframe the factual narrative to protect their friends. That's BS. Period.
