Survive! Knives Heads Up

[Tinbanger]

Looks like by the number of items they have sold they could be small dealers.

 

[JustinFournier]

I think Guy prefers to sell a tad lower than he could because there is a feeling of security in the future of a small business when your demand is that high and many small business owners are afraid of losing that security.

Also, just because one or two knives sold for that price it could totally be a false data point. Often people buy their own items with shill accounts when they are not selling or sell via another marketplace and when that happens there is no price accountability.

 

[Standard78]

I've been tryin' to tell everyone but no one listens......

Are you really telling me that at 249, 259, 279, no one would buy a GSO 5.1 from S!K? Look at the quality vs the only real competitors, Bark River and Ambush. Why sell at the same price or lower when you have the best quality out there?

Losing a key target audience would probably bad for business. My loyalty stays with the company because they're humble folks that produce the best product money can buy.

 

[JustinFournier]

What is really interesting to me is the big auction site appears to be getting a higher price and more listings than the forums here.

 

[AmericanAsApple3.14]

What is really interesting to me is the big auction site appears to be getting a higher price and more listings than the forums here.

I think that's due to a couple reasons. There are more fees over there but it also has a lot more exposure. I also think the BF crowd is generally more informed and up-to-date so you can't ask as much because people know what we all know (that they're back in production and more available). If it's too high here on the forum, people just wait for the next one to come along and the listing gets buried under new listings.

 

[redwood22]

I think that's due to a couple reasons. There are more fees over there but it also has a lot more exposure. I also think the BF crowd is generally more informed and up-to-date so you can't ask as much because people know what we all know (that they're back in production and more available). If it's too high here on the forum, people just wait for the next one to come along and the listing gets buried under new listings.

this, I thought about responding, couldnt find the rigth way to phrase it, but I think this is exactly it. The consumer is more informed on BF than thE-Bay and has a narrower audience. I don''t think raising the price would drastically change anything either, look at other brands that have limited supply but HIGHER prices, it just drives the secondary market even HIGHER!

 

[OBX351]

I think Guy could raise the price on his knives by 20% and would still sell out. But you're right about the more informed buyer. flee-Bay is expensive and drives up the price a bunch.

 

[forte_defense]

What is really interesting to me is the big auction site appears to be getting a higher price and more listings than the forums here.

Aren't you the one with a 5.1 posted for $350 with a buy it now of $500?

 

[JustinFournier]

Yes Sir! It's been for sale here for a while but no takers.

 

[forte_defense]

Yes Sir! It's been for sale here for a while but no takers.

Is the big auction site the best place to look for the secondary market? Or is it here?

I put my 5.1 DLC for sale on the exchange here. Just a heads up for you S!K fans.

If you want it I will cut you a deal as you are a fan, I will take the little profit I would make out. Up to you

Secondary market is not quite as hot as I thought it would be. Price drop on my 5.1 black DLC.

That secondary market!

I think Guy prefers to sell a tad lower than he could because there is a feeling of security in the future of a small business when your demand is that high and many small business owners are afraid of losing that security.

Also, just because one or two knives sold for that price it could totally be a false data point. Often people buy their own items with shill accounts when they are not selling or sell via another marketplace and when that happens there is no price accountability.

What is really interesting to me is the big auction site appears to be getting a higher price and more listings than the forums here.

Aren't you the one with a 5.1 posted for $350 with a buy it now of $500?

I'm truly trying to figure you out. And it seems to me that perhaps you've misinterpreted the purpose of this thread... And the Survive! culture as a whole.

The exchange is the place for marketing your knife, not these sub forums. If you wish to continue, kindly move along and land your comments and marketing commentary to your own thread on your exchange listing. The sort of comments you are making will get this thread shut down.

The purpose of this thread is to tip each other off to good deals, not to perpetuate bad ones. With all due respect, please don't hijack our threads to market your highly inflated price.

Thank you kindly.

 

[JustinFournier]

Not sure why you are so upset.

I put a pretty rare to find knife at a not at all inflated price on the exchange here after discussing it in a thread and it didn't sell. People were pointing out the auction site was getting some pretty high price points and we had some back and forth about the future of the S!K sales model so I listed it over there. I'm not sure why you are so upset.

I guess you are pretty new to S!K so I'll take a moment to explain. Back a few years ago when Guy first did the 5.1 there was a coating option. Obviously you were not around but at the time the coating was a $30 option according to my invoice.

So if I see my invoice says I paid over $280 for the knife delivered, to which I added a $38 + $10 shipping for spare handles which are included in the sale, you will see I have over $325 into the knife. If you consider paypal fees, and insured shipping when I offered it for sale here plus I paid the $30 for membership to list it, please tell me how much you think I should sell it for? I offered it at near my cost.

Considering new edition 5.1 which are not coated, numbered nor out of production are selling for $80 more than cost, I'm looking to make less than 1/3rd they are if it even gets bid up.

So maybe take a minute to think about the situation and let me know what you think is fair.

 

[AmericanAsApple3.14]

Forte, I see what you're saying about some of his comments but some of what you quoted is exactly what these thread was about - a heads up to a new posting. The DLC knives are very rare and from what I understand I don't think he's making much $ off what he originally paid considering the upgrades on the knife and fees. While some of the comments should probably be in a different thread (which could be said of many of the discussions on here), knife discussions and evaluations are expressly forbidden in the exchange - where else should he go to try to find out what his knife is worth or where best to find a buyer than among those most familiar with the brand?

 

[forte_defense]

Not sure why you are so upset.

I put a pretty rare to find knife at a not at all inflated price on the exchange here after discussing it in a thread and it didn't sell. People were pointing out the auction site was getting some pretty high price points and we had some back and forth about the future of the S!K sales model so I listed it over there. I'm not sure why you are so upset.

I guess you are pretty new to S!K so I'll take a moment to explain. Back a few years ago when Guy first did the 5.1 there was a coating option. Obviously you were not around but at the time the coating was a $30 option according to my invoice.

So if I see my invoice says I paid over $280 for the knife delivered, to which I added a $38 + $10 shipping for spare handles which are included in the sale, you will see I have over $325 into the knife. If you consider paypal fees, and insured shipping when I offered it for sale here plus I paid the $30 for membership to list it, please tell me how much you think I should sell it for? I offered it at near my cost.

Considering new edition 5.1 which are not coated, numbered nor out of production are selling for $80 more than cost, I'm looking to make less than 1/3rd they are if it even gets bid up.

So maybe take a minute to think about the situation and let me know what you think is fair.

You missed the point completely, and trust me when I say I am speaking for the group. Other members can speak up here, too.

The point is... Move along to the exchange, bud. Keep your marketing commentary limited to that area. This is not the place for self promotion.

Whether or not your motives are suspect with me is irrelevant. I can say unequivocally that my motives are not suspect with the Survive community. So, let me catch YOU up... I'm certain my good reputation and character are firmly established here.

Rather than continue any further banter and allow this thread to be hijacked in order to correct you further, I will withdraw from further communication with you, except to say... Give us back our thread, and kindly move any further comments about this knife to your own listing on the exchange.

 

[forte_defense]

Forte, I see what you're saying about some of his comments but some of what you quoted is exactly what these thread was about - a heads up to a new posting. The DLC knives are very rare and from what I understand I don't think he's making much $ off what he originally paid considering the upgrades on the knife and fees. While some of the comments should probably be in a different thread (which could be said of many of the discussions on here), knife discussions and evaluations are expressly forbidden in the exchange - where else should he go to try to find out what his knife is worth or where best to find a buyer than among those most familiar with the brand?

Oh, I am not saying that ALL Of his comments are unwelcome. I am saying he came here essentially asking "where can I get the biggest profit?" and continues to trickle an ongoing dialog with a play by play to keep his own knife promoted off-exchange.

Seeking information is not the issue. Self promotion is the issue I have. As you mention, some of his comments don't belong.

I don't want this thread to get shut down. I'm certain I am not alone. I am not seeking to be antagonistic.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[Psybull]

I totally agree with Forte_defense on this one.
We all are here to enjoy/share our like for this fine companies knives.
Whatever a person asks for his knife is up to them and I respect that but to not get that price and bring it up over and over in the wrong thread is not the right way to go about it.
JustinFournier, you could have just looked up what other DLC coated gso's have sold for in past auctions and got yourself a good idea of it's value.
I don't doubt for a minute that someone will buy it on that auction site, it is a very desirable offering, but you have to understand if everybody that had a knife to sell used the same approach on the threads that is all any members of BF would see.

 

[JustinFournier]

Ok one thing at a time.

I thought you were upset about the secondary market in general and chose me to dump your emotional poison on as a target of opportunity. I explained why you were wrong about the "inflated price" claim and you continued on like I never said anything so I can see you are just upset rather than trying to understand.

Now you speak for you. I don't remember any elections being held where you were voted as a representative of the consensus if that could even be quantified here.

If you are concerned with this thread getting shut down, your posts here are more likely to do it than mine. As mine were in line with others posted before.

If you are further concerned with rules being followed please know it's against rules to post conversations etc in the exchange and that is very heavily enforced.

If you are worried about self promotion... My posts were made well before my auction, my auction was made in response to the increased demand and market price. Nothing wrong with that.

Why is your screen name Forte_Defence? Are you promoting a business? You have an individual membership.

Finally if you had brought this to PM you would likely have been mush more productive.

Feel free to take your ball and go home now.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Texas_toothpick]

I can see from out side this conversation points of everyone involved. I will agree with one thing said and that is that the thread should return to the subject this was started for.

Just speaking from past experience in this forum, negativity is extremely frowned upon(except where allowed). The S! Sub forum is not that place. I only say this cause I wouldn't want any of this to be excelling beyond what it should be. (And it seems like it is)

Just my .02 ¢ fellas.

 

[JustinFournier]

Psybull,

I did exactly what you said. The comparable sold for $400 with no extra handle.

I previously made a thread about the knife in general. I got some PMs showing interest.

I made a post here saying I listed in in the exchange as a lot of interest was shown and I prefered to sell it to someone with a special interest because of its rarity.

Tons of interest, no sales.

We got into a discussion on how the Feb 22nd Monday sale was going to cause a growth in the secondary market. On the 29th no sale was held.

More and more posts were made here about the pricing on the bay so I went and put the knife there after it didn't sell here.

Since my auction went live I have not made a single post about it.

It's still on the exchange here.

I admit this thread may be unique but it's not of my creation.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

 

[Standard78]

We might as well kiss this thread goodbye if it keeps going this way.

 

[forte_defense]

We might as well kiss this thread goodbye if it keeps going this way.

Yep. That's my point.