Sven saw

Yeah it was . I'm guessing it didn't work bc I'm on a droid 2 and the youtube is a mobile site.
 
spydusse said:
Let's not forget about the added wieght of a full bow saw;)
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Compactness is the main thing for me.

Actually since we're talking, a 21" Corona bow saw weighs 17 oz. and a 18" Wyoming saw weighs 23 oz. while an 18" Sawvivor only weighs in at about 10 oz.

The regular bow saw weighs less than the Wyo and probably is the most effective cutter, but at the cost of packed size.
 
If u take the saw off the bow its pretty easy to pack,just saying .would fit in a sea bag pretty easily and a regualr pack u can dam near close the zipper all the way to just the thin pole and saw coming out the top. Just doesn't need to be overcomplicated.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Along E&E lines, I'd like to see a slim folding saw that accepts reciprocating saw blades. I have a really beefy and sturdy one by Lenox (they call it their Tri-Fold saw) but think that one that was more like a large pocket knife would be even better. You can get tons of different 6" blades in any hardware store for a huge range of targets (wood to metal and ceramic and everything between) and the blades are thin and flat so it's easy to stash a few different blades in a pack or a pocket. I find uses for my bulky one all the time, and would use it even more if it were more knife-like. :cool::thumbup:
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+1! Also, I'd like to see a good folder base for a jig saw blade, something that might fit into an Altoids tin. That's another product that I don't think anyone makes.
 
Some crazy talk over testing gear, damn. Man,, Jeff I am glad someone of your experience is testing gear so I can mooch off your experience and not spend all my money finding out for myself that some gear really sucks, just cannot afford to many mistakes in that fashion. I appreciate it and so do a lot of guys I know.
 
I've been known to strap overly large tools to my bags. :) If it's between a case of beer or spare underwear, well guess I'm doing wash in the creek. (and pretty sure I'm on record as the first inquiry to camelbak as to the their suitability to storing everclear. For the record, it was not recommended. ) So ultra-lite sure isn't my thing. But I do keep some light tool around.... I know I've gotten sound like a broken record with this thing, but I love these saws:

http://www.unbelievable-saw.com/

By no means a miracle device. They're prone to binding if the cut pinches at all. But they're small, light, and rip. (and US made)
 
Hi Jeff,

My good friend, I think you do a dis-service to the Sven saw. I have had the 21" model for 30 years. I also have a Sawvivor, Opinel, Fiskers/Gerber and a small collection of other outdoor saws. I keep coming back to the Sven.
I noticed a couple of things which may have soured you on the Sven.
1) on the first picture, the blade is not totally secured and seated in the Red handle. There is a vertical slot that bisects the handle hole that the end of the blade should seat into. That will hold the blade and not allow any flex. The male fastener should seat up to the step of the pivoting fastener. It isn't in your picture.
2) Where are you holding the saw? The Power/Drive hand should be on the lower part of the red handle below the saw blade, not above it (Inside of the triangle)
3) The roll/spring pin looks like it will fall out but it is swaged on the short end and will stay secure. Mine has never come out in 30 years.

Please give it another try. In addition to being light weight, it is rock solid and a capable performer. IMHO

Best Regards,


Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
 
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If it's possible to assemble it wrong, it doesn't belong on this forum. :D

Should only be round bolt, round hole, square bolt, square hole!
 
Thanks for the email Paul. You are correct on # 1. I had taken the saw apart after use and then decided to put it back together for a quick picture. Blade was not in the slot properly. Good catch. Good eye! As for # 2, totally agree. As for # 3, I have to disagree. Even if it doesn't come out, this could have been done better with only a little bit more time. This simple porcess made the whole thing look cheap and quickly thrown together to me. I say the roll pin should have been centered. Very simple fixture is all that is required to do it. It's the same difference to me as taking a little extra time on sharpening the edges of a knife symmetrically compared to just sharpening a knife. Either one works quite well in the field, but the truly quality minded person would expect a quality product to be done correctly and look like someone gave a damn when they made it. It just goes back to my days in the machine shop business i guess ;) The Wyoming Saw, on the other hand, is well though out and doesn't have that "cheap" apperance to it. Still waiting on the Sawvivor to get here. Not saying the Sven saw is not good. Far from it. For the price it probably kicks ass on all of them. Will do some subjective performance testing on them and report back. I'm just saying I'm a little less than impressed with overall appearance and build.
 
R.A.T. said:
Thanks for the email Paul. You are correct on # 1. I had taken the saw apart after use and then decided to put it back together for a quick picture. Blade was not in the slot properly. Good catch. Good eye! As for # 2, totally agree. As for # 3, I have to disagree. Even if it doesn't come out, this could have been done better with only a little bit more time. This simple porcess made the whole thing look cheap and quickly thrown together to me. I say the roll pin should have been centered. Very simple fixture is all that is required to do it. It's the same difference to me as taking a little extra time on sharpening the edges of a knife symmetrically compared to just sharpening a knife. Either one works quite well in the field, but the truly quality minded person would expect a quality product to be done correctly and look like someone gave a damn when they made it. It just goes back to my days in the machine shop business i guess ;) The Wyoming Saw, on the other hand, is well though out and doesn't have that "cheap" apperance to it. Still waiting on the Sawvivor to get here. Not saying the Sven saw is not good. Far from it. For the price it probably kicks ass on all of them. Will do some subjective performance testing on them and report back. I'm just saying I'm a little less than impressed with overall appearance and build.
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With plenty of saw porn hopefully. Mas fotos por favor!
 
adaman04 said:
With plenty of saw porn hopefully. Mas fotos por favor!
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Don't get me wrong, the Sven saw is far better than a small folding saw, but I believe there can be a better "widget" that does the same thing with a little more attention to quality. Maybe not for the same money though. Time will tell. That's all I'm sayin...
 
I get what you're saying. It might function just fine but when there are so few parts, how tough would it be to tap in a roll pin before giving it the OK in the QC department? Would it increase the cost drastically? Might is possibly keep someone from losing the pin if that hole wears over time?

It's a pretty simple design. Dave Canterbury did a video quite a while back about making a bucksaw out of scrap 1x2s and some cordage. Not exactly whiz-bang technology. You just need a sturdy way to hold a saw blade that will pack down easily.

When you get the Sawvivor you might find the rivet that has broken on some people is cheap and think it should be replaced with a small bolt and lock nut. Cost 2 cents and is replaceable by the user. All part of doing an objective opinion on equipment.

Don't hold it against Tooj, he hangs out with Becker people like Moose. Looks are the last thing on their mind. :D
 
Jeff,

I can "see" your wheels turning. ESEE Saw coming up. :) Gear is as personal as it gets, and one man's garbage is another man's treasure. If you can get Shon to build one, I'm sure he will be at his anal retentive best. ..and I mean that with all due respect and admiration. :)
Haven't tried a Wyoming saw yet. I do have an R & D budget so one may be working it's way to me.

I still like my Svenny and it finds it's way onto my pack more often than a large chopper knife...did I just say that? Don't let Ethan see this...

Best Regards,


Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
 
Ok

Gearing up for my great Alaska trip/adventure 2012, which saw should I get?
I'll have a Toy-hauler so it doesn't have to be tiny(not really roughing it sorry). I'm probably going to order a Wyoming just because, but actually they are pretty cheap so if Jeff comes up with one I'll have money left over .


Can't say how much I love this forum and the positive and helpful attitude everyone has. Thanks Baron for recommending it I had never seen it before.
 
I see Hodaka already mentioned it, but when I saw a similar question on saws posted I mentioned the following:
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How about the EKA saw which is similar, nothing to lose and has three blades? It seems to have jumped in price and become out of stock at some of the places that had it for $34 or $35 such as RagwoodForge or SouthernTackle. I imagine the list price went up.

A search will turn up some sources with listings such as below.

EKA Combination Saw
EKA 17" Combination Saw comes with wood, metal and game saw blades. Sweden. Available with black (80018) or orange (83018) handle. Choose model below:
Model

List Price: $60.00
Our Price: $44.95
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I think I had it then tucked away just before Christmas but when I had something to cut, the overly long Christmas tree trunk I had company and I pulled out the Swedish bow saw as it was hanging on the garage wall. Thus, I cannot give a use report. It seems relatively sturdy and there are no parts to lose. It weighs 12.6 ounces (per my postal scale). It is made in Sweden and the blades appear to be of good quality.

I could see the spring that holds the blades in place snapping years down the road, but that would not keep the saw from working, just let the blades rattle. It would not take much to improvise a quick fix. I probably will never use it enough to wear out the blades, but I'm not sure I like the illustrated blade replacement method. The saw blades are held on a rivet at one end. That end is sawed a bit down the frame. That cut allows one to pry up the side and slip blades on and off the pivot. On the other hand it prevents protrusions or pieces to lose. I imagine anyone that would have enough sawing to do to worry about it would have bigger saws for some of the sawing. Anything I have ever read about EKA, has always been good, so hopefully they have tested this a number of times for durability.

I don't have a Silky, but have read good things. Similarly I don't know anyone who did not like their Opinel saw. The times I have considered getting the smaller one when placing an order, it was always out of stock. Same with the Silky, I was in the local mower place and they had all the large ones ($$$) but none of the smaller folding ones that I wanted to try. Meanwhile the Bahco Laplander serves well. It has always impressed me when I have used it. I have never tried the Sharptooth (IIRC) version that was mentioned by a poster as being faster. I do recall reading that Mears had chosen that folding saw as he found the way the blade design made it less likely to break when off in the middle of nowhere. For finer pruning cuts I have used a Pullsaw Shark Saw. I'm looking forward to comparing those to a Felco, but I recall being a bit surprised where the Felco saw, as opposed to their clippers, was made.

Kiah, the cheap saw you mentioned that cuts surprisingly well sounds familiar. I would hazard a guess that it is a Coghlan's Sierra Saw. I have used the small one a decent amount. Cheap feeling handle, thin blade that flexes very easily one--might saw alarmingly--without snapping so far, but cuts amazingly well, in part I imagine as it does not have to remove much material.

Since the Wyoming saw was mentioned, I do recall reading good things about it in the past. Perhaps the same proponent? ;) ...although I do recall some agreement. There are a couple of nice packable Bucksaws on the market too, some better than others, but I don't have that information quickly at hand at the moment. I do recall seeing a bow saw type blade being packed in a billy to use in making a saw upon arrival at camp. I know some have more of a knack for constructing a bow or handle that will work, than others.

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