Swamp Rat battle guard

Walking Man, when I first got here, you were one of the first to respond to my posts and even made me an offer that I regretfully wasn't able to accept at the time. But you were personable and helpful. That was one of the reasons I became a gold member here and I started using Busse AND Swamp Rat blades. Thank You.
But.....
For some reason, it seems to me that your attitude has changed. If you don't like that other users and collectors are posting outside your interests or knowledge base, don't respond. You have a many things offer here, don't let an intolerant attitude be one of them.
 
Happy Birthday to Lisa Marie Presley!!! WOOHOO!

Hope it's a good.......



oops.... This isn't the right forum is it?

;) :p
 
You are right. I know I was harsh, and for that I am sorry.
BUT I know that the Rat forum isn't overrun with HOGs taking cheap shots over there all the time. It's annoying and it gets old, and it got to me this morning.
The rats should try to learn from the courtesy that we provide them. Over and out.
 
Hey, Walking Man -

My post in that thread that you refered to is anything but pointless. I was trying to sum up the fact that while comparisons are great fun and we can learn much from them at times, Swamp Rat knives don't need to be compared to anything, Busse or otherwise, to know that when you pick one up and head out, you don't have to worry whether it will do the job or not. It will.

As far as Swamp Rat vs. Busse, this is a non-issue. Again, comparisons can be great when kept in perspective, but all this hype about which one is "best" is academic at best as long as both do the jobs they were designed for. Is Busse better? Sure, I hope so. If not, I paid way too much for the three I have. And, yes, I know that three Busse's don't make me a "Hog", but I still enjoy hanging out on this forum sometimes, listening, learning and maybe ribbing you Rat-haters a little. I didn't see the harm, especially since Jerry is King of both, and is somewhere right now laughing at this meaningless rhetoric. ;)

Anyway, I'll try to lay off a little for you Hogs of the thin-skinned variety. I know that as a relative newcomer, I have little to add to most of these conversations, so maybe I was coming from an angle that was comfortable, but not quite right. Point taken. :thumbup:

Oh, and while the people on this forum are some of the best I've ever "talked" to, if you want to see real courtesy, come on over to the Rat forums - you're welcome any time! :D

Oh, Edited to add: Happy Birthday, Lisa Marie!!
 
Greg45 said:
My post in that thread that you refered to is anything but pointless. I was trying to sum up the fact that while comparisons are great fun and we can learn much from them at times, Swamp Rat knives don't need to be compared to anything, Busse or otherwise, to know that when you pick one up and head out, you don't have to worry whether it will do the job or not. It will.
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I don't really see how your post added anything to that thread. What I asked about, and what was discussed was the fact that one time Jennifer wrote that the Swamp rat MUST outperform the basics, which surprised me. To my knowledge, this hasn't happened.
In fact, what you are basically telling me is that it's pointless to compare Swamp Rat knives to anything. Well, if that's the case, why do we need to compare United knives to anything? They look much cooler, after all. :barf: Busse knives and Swamp Rat are all about performance, and performance must be measured, otherwise owning these knife doesn't make sense.
If we didn't compare Swamp Rat knives and Busse knives to anything, no one would own them in the first place.
So, did your post really add anything? :confused:
In my opinion your post did nothing but attempt to stifle what most of want to know about, how they perform.
All you really said was that we should have blind love for Swamp Rat based on nothing at all. That's a religion. If I wanted to join a religion, I'd be a fan of that other bad-ass knife company
 
I got three things to say NUKE EM All!!!:eek: :D

Walking Man you are my HERO!!!!:thumbup: :)


Don't let that BLOATED rat king intimidate ya!! :grumpy:
 
Bravado said:
I got three things to say NUKE EM All!!!:eek: :D

Walking Man you are my HERO!!!!:thumbup: :)

Don't let that BLOATED rat king intimidate ya!! :grumpy:
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Thanks Bravado! :D
 
If you want to know how a knife performs, you can try to compare it to other knives; you can try to get a "feel" for what it will supposedly do in a given situation; you can use conjecture to see what it potentially feels like, etc., etc., etc..

Or you can go out and use the darned thing, where performance is measured by what the knife can actually do.

Can a product be good enough to stand on it's own merits? When asked to do a job, can it be enough to know that your knife will handle it with no questions asked?

Yep. In my opinion, anyway. That's all I was trying to convey.
 
Greg45 said:
If you want to know how a knife performs, you can try to compare it to other knives; you can try to get a "feel" for what it will supposedly do in a given situation; you can use conjecture to see what it potentially feels like, etc., etc., etc..

Or you can go out and use the darned thing, where performance is measured by what the knife can actually do.

Can a product be good enough to stand on it's own merits? When asked to do a job, can it be enough to know that you're knife will handle it with no questions asked?

Yep. In my opinion, anyway. That's all I was trying to convey.
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Huh????????:confused:
 
Good Lord :rolleyes:

Like Rodney said "Can't we all get along? "
 
Greg45 said:
And, yes, I know that three Busse's don't make me a "Hog", but I still enjoy hanging out on this forum sometimes, listening, learning and maybe ribbing you Rat-haters a little. !!
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Greg, just owning 1 busse makes you a qualified Hog :thumbup:

Owning one Rat makes you a Rat as well, so how many hogs can claim to not be Rats?:eek:

I have to admit I am a Pig first and a Rat second, and if you ask my wife, she would agree. :thumbup:
 
Cobalt said:
Greg, just owning 1 busse makes you a qualified Hog :thumbup:

Owning one Rat makes you a Rat as well, so how many hogs can claim to not be Rats?:eek:

I have to admit I am a Pig first and a Rat second, and if you ask my wife, she would agree. :thumbup:
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My wife would probably go Dog, Pig, then Rat. :D BTW I don't own any Mad dogs... yet. :p
 
Walking Man said:
I don't really see how your post added anything to that thread. What I asked about, and what was discussed was the fact that one time Jennifer wrote that the Swamp rat MUST outperform the basics, which surprised me. To my knowledge, this hasn't happened.
In fact, what you are basically telling me is that it's pointless to compare Swamp Rat knives to anything. Well, if that's the case, why do we need to compare United knives to anything? They look much cooler, after all. :barf: Busse knives and Swamp Rat are all about performance, and performance must be measured, otherwise owning these knife doesn't make sense.
If we didn't compare Swamp Rat knives and Busse knives to anything, no one would own them in the first place.
So, did your post really add anything? :confused:
In my opinion your post did nothing but attempt to stifle what most of want to know about, how they perform.
All you really said was that we should have blind love for Swamp Rat based on nothing at all. That's a religion. If I wanted to join a religion, I'd be a fan of that other bad-ass knife company
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Walking Man said:
This is from the SW website:
"Having directed all marketing and advertising as Vice President of Busse Knife Company for the past ten years, I have continued to push for a line of super high performance production knives to replace the Basics. Not only would these knives need to outperform the Basics but they would also need to be more affordable for the average military, law enforcement, and search and rescue personnel. There have been considerable obstacles to overcome, as far as production limitations, budgetary concerns, and available personnel."
Please someone tell me this isn't true! (rats outperforming basics! well, I never.)
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the overall tone of your posts gives off the feeling that you wish for any discussion of swamp rat knives to be left off of the busse forums, and kept in the swamp rat forums. but you then say that to not discuss the differences between the two companies knives makes you a cult follower, and is a rediculous idea.

i know that is not what you mean specifically - but thats how it sounds.

when you state something like "Please someone tell me this isn't true! (rats outperforming basics! well, I never.)" you say a lot of things at once. its a sarcastic statement (im assuming) refering to a persons ignorance on the subject of blade performance between swamp rat and busse knives. but at the same time, again attacking a persons ignorance on the subject, it would appear that you state that swamp rats knives obviously outperform busse combats basic line, as it has been iether stated, shown, or publiclicly known as such, and the poster should know so as well.

you then state that swamp rat knives have never been shown to be better then busse basics. this is in direct contrast to the seemingly apparent meaning of your statement (*if its taken in a sarcastic tone. if it was meant in the literal sense, that "you have never before seen data or testing that proves the point of jennifer busse that swamp rat knives do in fact out perform busse combats basic line of knives" - there are better and clearer ways of stating it on an online forum that will leave much less room for akward interpretation*)

as far as i know - there isnt that much testing that shows anything about the ability of the two companies (in comparison to one another) outside of cliff stamps reviews of the camp tramp and the basic 7. there arent any comparable tests in iether review. they both were used on rope, but one was used on 3/8" hemp, and the other on 1/4" "braided rope" and was done after it was used for digging and steeled back to alignment (as apposed to resharpened). i would not use these two tests as a comparison.


likewise i dont recall having ever seen an easily comparable set of tests that brought the knives to the breaking point - even on cliffs, the shown results were drastically different, as one was used more then the other.

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/basic_7_wear.jpg
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/camp_tramp_howling_rat.jpg


if you intend to discuss the performance of the two companies, would like people to refrain from superfluous posts regarding the other companies going ons and affairs, and would like the discussions that do end up on the busse combat forum regarding swamp rat knives to be both civil and informative - say so in a clear manner. posted statements like "Please someone tell me this isn't true! (rats outperforming basics! well, I never.)", will be seen in both a reasonable and unreasonable light, because if taken literally they mean one thing, and if taken for the tone in wich they imply in written form - they mean something entirely different, often times for the opposite side of what you are argueing for.
 
A week or so ago I was "jumped" for expressing my opinion and I was not too keen on the responses I received. As a newbie I expect a little harrassment but some of the things posted by the old guard (yep, I said old guard) seemed a little harsh. I can roll with the punches though, not a big deal. My point is that all this stuff is not that serious. Hogs, Rats, it is not that big a deal that we need to get bent out of shape. This is about purchasing, discussing and appreciating high quality knives. If I am off base here somebody let me know. This is just my 2 pennies.
 
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