Sweet-looking Knife: Kizlyar Sterkh

a while ago i read somewhere that russian knives are poor quality tho

also on a forum

i can't say where or anything, but thats what i remember anyway
 
Hello,

russia make many knives, some are good,some are bad, there is abot 100 firms making knives and many small workshops.
It is true russian steel is sometimes not so good the stainless steel are a problem and occasional inconsitant, or sold to companys as better steel that they should be.

In Kizlyar now they use Z60 steel and Z90 steel for the most knives, it is french, and like aus-6 and aus 10. In the city of kizlyar now also some smaller companies are using spanish made 420 steel.

Link to the russian steel ( but there is a misprint with the Z60 it is similar with aus-6 and not aus-8 ;)) .

Here you can have a look in the factory :)

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Jenni
 
I didn't attack anyone here. And regardless of whether you agree with my reasoning, I get to decide how I spend my money. My post was a PSA. The nationality of Julius is irrelevant. A person is responsible for his posts, and I found his offensive.

That aside, I'll have to agree with Jenni, that there are good and bad. I own a Russian knife, and its a winner. Crappy knives are made in every country in the world. Just as good ones come from everywhere too. You can get a POS made in America, and you can get a damn fine knife made in China. You've just gotta know where to look.

I modded my Russian knife recently and made a kydex sheath for it. Real cutter. Thin bladed and light. The handle fits your hand like God intended a knife to be there. Pics:
 
....yes, this must be the the sterkh I in Z60, as far as i know have they not the X12MF.

In Messerforum.net i have post the prototype of a new Phoenix , it is from U-8 russian steel with .8-.85% carbon and have a different hardness in the blade and the grip, the blade has between 57 and 59 HCR and the grip 40-43 HCR, every knife will be testet and marked on the blade.The thickness will be 6.5 cm.

http://www.messerforum.net/showthread.php?p=370394#post370394

Jenni
 
The Kizlyar Sterh/Cmepx-1 looks like a excellent utility/hunting knife to me. I want one :D
 
You all just better get used to hatred of one sort or another, because the buck stops with "We the People" in this country, no matter what is taking place that involves our country and who ordered it.
 
mhhhhh. i have a translation problem with your posting, and the onlinetranslater also, but anyway my english is not really the best, sorry, but also i think it is not really important for me.

i try to introduce here knives from russia, because i think some people are interested in to see something about knifes and knife-making from other folks. Also some are interested about steel and such.
i don´t think, that you will see i much kizlyar knifes in US, they are really hard to get.
I make this not really for selling to US, because it is not really profitable for me, the rate of exchange, the fee, and postage 17 Euro from Germany and so on......and it is the same for you Guys the comparison from $ to Euro is also not so good.

There are some dealer in US who sell a small range of Kizlyar Knives, mostly the traditional and the military knives. You will find them easily with google :).

So I'm also not interested in any politician discussions, if i want that, i will go in the forum for this things.

I´m also the Distributer of Bark River Knives and Svord from New Zealand, but this knives you know and i musn´t explain anything.

For all which are interested in Knives from russia and in Production i will try to answer them, or to show them the huge range of russian Knives.

So a really simple question:
Do you want see more good outdoor-knives?
do you want know, why they mostly haven't a hand-guard?
or why the knives with blade and hand-guard must be registratet?
what kind of steel they use?
or about the leather-work?
or about russian knife laws?

then ok, i would try to answer, but I'm not interested in other for me not important comments, i make this only because i enjoy knives.
 
well, every knife which has a hand-guard more than 5 mm and a blade longer than 9 cm and a blade thicker than 2,5 mm is in russia a weapon and must be registrated. You can see that at our militaryknives they have all a registration- number on the back of the blade.
But is the tip more than 75 degrees for more i think than 2 cm like tis one (bladelenght :110 mm, thickness : 3,3mm)

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than it is not a wheapon, because it is not really a knife for stepping.

Jenni
 
about the philipines..?
so you dont have any factory mad elocal knives?
as i understand ther eis atleast 3 gun factories there, but ive never seen any knive sother than a military machete..with a rubber grip..

In trying to answer you my friend, I suppose it's also a "hit-or-miss" deal with locally manufactured knives here (as is also the case with most countries). I believe it's the lack of well-defined standards for quality control. Sure there are bad knives that perform poorly but there are also excellent ones that you'd be proud to pass on to your grandkids. Most are often the back-yard, small-scale cottage industry operations. Also, there are regions/provinces that specialize more in cuttlery (i.e. - in the main island of Luzon, places like Batangas and Apalit [Pampanga] while in the Visayas, Cebu and the Carigara region in Leyte are well-known).

Check the thread below. The large knife is one of two very typical designs here in my region (Central Luzon), the other being a wharncliffe profile for the blade. Blades are usually 1/8" thick or just slightly thicker and tempered in the lower RC scale for ease of sharpening in the kitchen or field. The handles are usually made from carabao (water buffalo) horn, which is basically nature's version of G-10; tough and resilient.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386314

Hope that helps a bit.
 
You truly don't know me from dirt. I simply did't like your characterization of my country. I don't want you banned. I'm just not giving the company you represent any of my money. To seperate money and politics. Hmm. Give it a go. Good luck.

As to whether I was going to buy a knife or not, well, I think these people know that I am a person of my word, and an avid knife collector.

I just thought you guys should know where your money is going. That was done out of well intended, patriotic, motovations.
. roll in your toung my friend,
this is not a playground (it might be actualy, but no matter)
if you wish to make trouble then post this in the section saying "there is only amriecans that love the amriecan government and all historic governments and their acts" or the political forum ;) which should go by the above mentioned name.

but as the starter of this thread was a philipino... then. maybe this is an attack against me.

now. if i said ameirca was a shitty place, dirty, horrid landsacpe,. lacking of any merit., full of thilth and muck.. populated with evil people, who eat their own kids or some such!! :O...

well i could understand.. you'd be more than alittle insulted. and i would be quite surprised if you didnt feel quite angry...........
but i have never said amrieca was such a palce..
i clearly stated that amriecan has been since its exsistance a bully ntion.. maybe not the peopel , maye, yes. but all wars they ahve ever entered have been in regard to money, and in regard to politicians own self interest..
and enlarging the state of america , financialy and materialy..
it is so and it is such a fact one would be blind not to see it. blind or a clear supporter of such acts.
one only has to look at a history of american military politic to see this, no other nation in modern times has had such a run..
...
there is more than 40 banana republic incerdents in the last 200 years, all of them hostile acts by the u.s.a. putitng down workers revolts on sugar plantations in cuba owned by ameircan, with the use of amriecna troops,, .. invading panama, grenada. nicaragua,, 5 times, ect ect ect ect ect :yawn: :S.
it is a lot.. and it is political, that is why one should discus these things in the political forums..
it has nothing to do with some such thing as you say "i hate americans"

as i do not , , if i did i would tell you this quite directly. and i woudl nto bother to come to this fourm,
amriecan have many merits, and many flaws., one flaw being blind "patriotisim" :P... which combines with their best merit ive observed which is their good degree of individulaisim..
however ther eis a rotten core that seems to be developing on these forums of late..
i have no great love or hate for arabs.. they are fine by me if they live in their own land.and i am not a moslem.
but the clearly racist, and quite hateful trip being permiated by some is not tolerable.. even by one who may agree on some minor points.
vile comments such as presenting moslems or arams are a peopel who practice beastiality in every day life of are rampant pedophiles and slave direver all plotting to kill the next american they see.
...
when you mak ethese sort of comments thiout the one commented opon present to defend thems elves .. they fall as alittle hollow...............


im sorry to anyone who has to read this on this forum, as it should be about knives. :)

but the man is clearly out to do me some mischeaf..
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wtf is that shit all about?

and moslims shud definitely stay in their own countries

in europe the streets are no longer safe coz of arab thugs muggin ppl
 
Gentlemen;

AS WITH MOST THINGS IN LIFE, THIS FORUM IS WHAT WE MAKE OF IT. WE CAN CHOOSE TO LEARN, ENRICH AND CONTRIBUTE TO IT. . . OR CHOOSE THE OPPOSITE PATH. Personanlly, I go with the former idea. We ALL have various beliefs, values and sentiments BUT let us not muck-up a healthy and neutral discussion with something TOTALLY unrelated.

As the starter of this thread, I felt I just had to say something. Hopefully it doesn't fall into deaf ears and closed minds.
 
I didn't attack anyone here. And regardless of whether you agree with my reasoning, I get to decide how I spend my money. My post was a PSA. The nationality of Julius is irrelevant. A person is responsible for his posts, and I found his offensive.

That aside, I'll have to agree with Jenni, that there are good and bad. I own a Russian knife, and its a winner. Crappy knives are made in every country in the world. Just as good ones come from everywhere too. You can get a POS made in America, and you can get a damn fine knife made in China. You've just gotta know where to look.

I modded my Russian knife recently and made a kydex sheath for it. Real cutter. Thin bladed and light. The handle fits your hand like God intended a knife to be there. Pics:
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pettyness aside,,
the knfie you have form the firm "rosarms" ... this type of knife is called the "zlatoust" style
there is 3 destinct trypes of russian knives made in several areas in russia..
the "zlatoust" as yours.. normaly zlatoust is unpolished. hollow ground and has natural materials for thanddle.. there are normlay birch burl.. leather soaked in wax and resin. or compressed birch bark,
zlatoust is around the area of lake bikal, and birch is very very common, hardwood is uncommon.
sheaths are made from nromaly black or brown leather. they are ushaly of a specific style, and traditionlay this area they always used the pillar studs on the sheaths, eithe rof alloy or brass.
the sheaths ar enormaly the most "western" looking of the russian sheaths.
there is about 20 firms in zlatoust making knvies , i do not know if any grind with a machine..
the gurads can be wood, brown or ornage textolite. or alloy..

the baldes are normaly 95x18 or 110x18 steel or other higher alloy steels made in the area of zlatoust..
some zlatoust firms are better with quality than others, A&R has the best reputation in russia.
i have owned a rosarms "russian hunter" and a a&r hunting knfie, that i dont recall the name of old thingy..
normaly the baldes are not decorated much , and the etched pictures are of poor quality, if they have any,, ushaly a dog or a bear or a moose or such, but, in this area gold inlay of images is common and on simple hunting knvies it can be had.. in other areas of russia this is only done on high prices knives..

zlatoust is not making much in the area of damascus steel or modern bulat knives, and are not large suppliers of the military for knvies..
the artistic knvies and swords tend to be highly decorated with gold inlay. which is the zlatoust speciality, aswell as enamel
the area has many hunter and there knvies come form the basic styles of knife used there..


next is the vorsma area of knvies, the traditionlal area of soviet knif eproduction, with large frims such as trud producing large amounts of axes and kitchen knvies ther,e
apart ofr the lever lock autos. and chepa horrid horrid horrid nightmear pocket knvies :S :O.... so bad even the chines ewoudl laugh, although the autos are better and ok for the price (damascus steel bladed auto is about 30$.. wood looks like pine :O! but the locks are realy solid ..)
vorsma mad emedical toold and pen knvies during soviet times, i had a little pipe knife some place, with a enamel inlayed copper grip,, and aboui 15 differne tblades,, all the sie of a match box.. not bad , although most that ive seen .. were :barf:
their hunting knvie sof this area, which again has about 20 companines. are destinct again.
they ar eknown for thier picnic sets which ushaly have an ace hunting knife pocket knvie drinking set and shashlik set... and come in a decorated leather sutecase.. they cna eb had in many variations , even with all perts made form damascus steel.

mostly the knvies have the same basic shapes and the zlatoust , but the blades normaly have nd groves, hollow ground and gloss polished, the guards are alloy or duralium or titanium.. (one i saw.. :P ) and are sometimes decroated with floral punch work.. the blades are normaly not decorated
sometimes bronze of brass decorated cast guards can be seen, and also sometimes etched images are seen on the blades , but this is a "kizlyar" phenomenon... ..zlatoust having its own style of etching.. not related to kizlyar.
handle material is normaly oak, which is common around vorsma .. as is duralium and alloy :) steels is normlay 45x13 or 65x13 or other related steels. .. like 440a or such.. which are produced int he area.

guards can be sometimes steel to. but very uncommon,
the sheaths are very destincted though,
they are normaly made fomr a mix of yellow and black leather
the main sheath being a yellowish leather and the stiching be done with a black leather thong.
the sheath then has a linde rwithin the outer sheathmad eform harder thick leather, rolled over.. the belt loop is a made from slotting the leather . like on some german on english cheapo export knvies.. but it is normlay made fomr two sheets of leathe rnot one and very thick..
the lite colored leathe ris ushaly stamped , pressed or pyro-etched with a hot tool to depicted an image ,a deer or a fish or such on the leather..
vorsma is alos a larg elarge producer of damascus steel blades.. and damascus baldes can be had very cheaply fomr many firms there.
quality is 50/50 and they use not steel well suted to contrasting the pattern,, however wiht they large amount of mechnical equiptment ther eit ie easy to produce enmass..
the area is not know for quality demask.. and the firms ther edont attempt to be knwon for making it.. :) they are normaly making cheap hunting modles with damascus blades that the average person in russia with a job can afford..
i woudl like to call these guys the nail cutter firms, as on the rusian show klinok they always like to cut nails with their knives to show how har dthey are ect ect..
these firms make alot of dedical tools,
so hence companys such as "medtec" are knife firms..
the name vorsma is known in russia when talking of knives....

"kizlyar". or more correctly dagestan... a mahachkala has several firms aswell as ther eis small smiths in some mountian villages making kindjals and shashkas to sell in mahachkala or in rusisa proper..
in dagestan before the apperarence of the "kizlyar" style ,, moslty traditional swords and daggers, and simple thin bladed hunting knvies were made. aswell and blacksmith forged pocket knvies,, although thes elast wer eonly sold in and around dagestan and of illegal production..
in the beginning of the 90s witht eh rusisans military skrimishing in the area with local nationalists, and later with the first chachen war, aswell and a break down in the enforcement of laws regarding the ownership of knvies swords and guns,,, knives became suddenly a popular item , but ther ewa sno firm to make them...
dagestan had only, a small kitchen knfie company in derbent.. making elcheapo steak knives..
so the first form , the original firm "kizlyar" which i am. working with,, appeared....
moslty selling knives to the rusisan military, and to the locals, son this exsploded, as alll over russia knife firms appeared, and kizlyar soon becasme the largest makder of .. non kitchen knvies,...
mainly beciase of the dagestanis strong knife cultur ,, and the north caucasusu's taste for knvies, and the rusisans military, mvd and fsb all coming through the city in hunge numbers, also in and around the city hunting is common..
once the market reached compleatly around rusisa and the crazy soviet laws were removed employees began to leave the company and statr their own frims, taking the "kizlyar" style with them..
in kizlyar ther eis 5 other firms that have the "kizlyar " style..
that is ,, multi grooved bladed knives ,, either damascus or stainless steel.. very contured handles .,,, many with large finger notched.. ushaly made from local walnut.. sheaths normaly stamped with imaged, such as imam shamil, eglas.. huhnters, mongol worriors, wolves.. floral patters..
blades engraved with poisonous aminals ,, or bears, wolves.. or floral pattersm ushaly deep etched into the blade sna dblackened using black chrome,,
theaths normaly riveted not stiched and made from black leather,
or sheaths sticked and with a complexed construction.. sometimes laced instead of stiched ( to hard to explani, takes about 12 or mor eparts and 3 layers.. frst sheath maker was making shoes before and some make sheaths like shoe :O.. kizlyar still uses these sheaths on their damascus knives and such)
..
there is also about 6 firms in mahachkala making knives like this..

the kizlyar "art" or damasucs knives also have a distinct stly, many having cast silver animal heads and fancy odd shaped blades and countured handles...
the odd shaped handles, riveted sheaths, use of walnut deep etching on blades, and multi grooved blades are recognised as "dagestani" or "kizlyar" style knives........
the kizlyar engraving when it appeared at the time.. was something new, and exsotic,.. and so many new firms adpoted this style, and ti is still popular with rusisans although many "knifeomans" do not like this fomr of decoration or damascus knvies the average russian does...
(the kifeomans like x12mf or carbon steels and neck knives and such .. and spyderco,, and military or tactical knvies .., ect ect........... not all but the most.. dont like the "russian" style that is liked by most rusisans )

there is also other destinct styles. such as the knvie sof rthe maker Skrilov.. who is "known" in russia, some like him .. many other dont :) but he make smany original knvies ... and they have his own ideas incorperatedinto them, his style is normlay followed in facotries wher ehis knvies have been made, such as in the saro factory,,.......




some knvies mad ein russia are realy quite bad and ther ehas always been a tradition of making knives in prisons........
ive owned some prison knvie,s some are good some are bad and some are totaly mad.
i saw one with lennin and stalin and marks on the blade once.. looked like a shashka and a bowie knife combined :S :O

prison knvie sagian have thier own types,, pen knvies,, normaly simpleand traditional,, (inmate proably didnt get any more form putting more than one blade on them)... mny have the shape of a bottle of wine or a womans leg or such. other look like nomrla long bladed pen knvies.
folding spikes of sorts...
militaryish looking bowie type knvies ,
artic or scandinavian knives..
automatic knvies, normaly with some weird lock..
ethinc or traditional looking knvies, sometimes with painted handles..
and then jsut the odd crazy prisoners knfie .. made with totaly original thinking.

prison knvies are normaly the worst quality, but ive never seen one that was not realy sharpened to a thin egde, so i guess the guys in prison know what how to do that.

the heat treatment of rusisan knvies and the quality of russian steel is suspect.. and many tiime sthe steel is not as good as it is said, ro it is not hard enought, ro the steel merchant provides different steel and says it is a better mark..

and that is russian knvies.......
 
wtf is that shit all about?

and moslims shud definitely stay in their own countries

in europe the streets are no longer safe coz of arab thugs muggin ppl

.. that.. has nothign to do with ... knives........, was somehtignto do with arguing about amrieca being colonial..

in the political forum..........

and then some people got indignant... alhtogun thye seemed fime to be far more profane with others nations.....

hehe.. come on, arads.. ar elittle buggers... if they bother you then beat them ............. and they will go home, but dont wine about it...
ive been to europe and didnt see this.. but then.......... mabe.. russia is not such a safe place......................
 
thanks,, i was more interested in factory made knvies.. i have seen a military machete ,, the handle was rubber, and the sheath some fiber substance.. it had some bumber company mark or such, dont remember the name, but said bumber or car bumer or suc, such , looked factory made...
 
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