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Swiss Army Knife = Toast?
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not sure what exactly the issue is with taking some environmentally responsible steps even if all processes still aren't environmentally friendly. some processes aren't friendly so don't bother being responsible at all? i'm as conserative as they come, but it doesn't hurt to take some steps that help.
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I agree, it doesn't make sense. Just because I drive a car run by fossil fuel, I should also trow garbage out of the car's window? Some people just go crazy if they hear that something is enviromental friendly, and think that its all liberal or leftist propaganda.
I like clean woods, and mountains, and countryside. I often go there by car, but I try not to leave garbage, I know it's little effort, but it's something at least.
If both the Class and the SwissChamp equal the same slice of toast, might as well get the SwissChamp?
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I'm going to respond, as I am one that you refer to as not making sense and buying into propaganda. It's not that we don't want a clean planet. I don't understand why you guys think that you can assume this. I like clean woods, mountains, and countryside as well. I have kids, and want nothing more than a planet they can live and thrive in.
But this is where our thought process diverge. You believe that we should enact policies and processes that are shown to be worse for the environment just in the name of the environment. It's the new religion, you can't ever question it, now it's in place and followed blindly by the masses. How is this morally superior? So if you make the planet worse off, but had good intentions then you're ok? This makes no sense. And then to say to those that disagree with you that we are "crazy" is really rude and intellectually bankrupt.
At a minimum, 140,000 birds die each year from hitting wind turbines. Is this better for the environment? Birds are part of the environment yes? Am I saying get rid of wind power? NO. I'm saying that there are effects on the environment no matter how you slice it. Each and every process to transition a waste product creates another side effect.
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There are many things that are bad for the environment but climate change (aka Global Warming) is the most dire situation of them all. 140,000 birds die each year from wind turbines? Do you have any idea how many birds will die let alone coastal nesting species that will go extinct from habitat destruction? Carbon dioxide IS a greenhouse gas. Anthropogenic CO2 IS contributing to climate change at a rate unseen by the planet. The cool thing about science is its right whether or not you believe it. If you don't think carbon emissions are contributing to climate change I don't really know what to tell you. If you do but think its no big deal, then you need to research the effects of climate change.
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Wait, so your charts show that temperature on the planet in the last 400,000 years has always gone up and down? How long have people been emitting carbon?
Also, 140,000 was a minimum estimate of bird deaths, it goes as high as 250,000 birds dead. Do you know what that does to other wildlife? The enitre chain is thrown off. But hey, it's in the name of "Science". It's to save the world right?
Also, 140,000 was a minimum estimate of bird deaths, it goes as high as 250,000 birds dead. Do you know what that does to other wildlife? The enitre chain is thrown off. But hey, it's in the name of "Science". It's to save the world right?
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Provide data. How is Victorinox doing more damage to the environment with the steps they've implemented?
I think in this case he's speaking of general environmental processes (i.e. wind turbines that kill all the birds he mentioned) rather than anything Victorinox does specifically. Could be wrong though.
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JCKT, first of all, hello to a fellow Floridian! Secondly, thanks for posting this video. As a direct, and immediate result when I saw this video for the first time last week (in this thread), I went out and bought myself my first Swiss Army Knife. It's a black Cadet Alox, and I couldn't be happier with it!
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Another reason to carry a SAK
I'm also thinking of getting my first one.
Question for anyone: I'm sort of considering the Soldier model. Does anyone know what are the thickest "most tools" models vs. the thinnest "least tools" models, or have any recommendations which models are best for which needs? There are so many with various configurations of tools, it is hard to narrow it down. Thanks.
I've been on a SAK binge lately, mostly for lockblade models. I think the thinnest liner lockblade that has a couple useful tools in addition to the knife is the Centurion. For thicker models, I like the Nomad and the Dual Pro and Dual Pro X. And the Fireman. But there are so many to choose from, you might find this site useful:
http://sakselector.info/cgi-bin/sak_selector.cgi
But the Soldier (Swiss or German) is a good choice. Or get the Trekker, which adds the tweezers and toothpick to the Soldier models.
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As RedLynx said, I was referring to general processes, not Victorinox. Actually, my whole point is that I don't buy a knife from Victorinox because they are "green". I buy from them because they make an excellent product. If they decide to be "green" then great.
I'm used to people buying a blade due to steel used, ht, country of origin, asthetics, warranty .....but not that the company is carbon neutral. What about companies that are not "green", now will they be penalized? Because that's what is being pushed now.
Also, as I commented on the chart, temparature changes have been present long before people produced carbon. It will happen long after we are gone as well. Can we control it a bit? Maybe, but to think we are going to fix it by implementing a political agenda is dangerous.
I'm much less picky about country of origin than I used to be, though I still try to research quality control practices/workers' treatment if possible. I also like the great warranties of various companies but I use it so little it's not a huge selling point (still glad it is there when I need it though).
I only had to send in one knife under warranty, when my Benchmade Barrage A/O knife spring broke. Was glad to have a good warranty then.
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That's the issue. People who are against the idea(deniers) ONLY speak in general terms or they take a single week long cold snap in one specific area and say that global warming doesn't exist because... you see...it's cold in Michigan right now. Contrast that with scientists all over the world who study the thing and can give actual verifiable data.
Yep they sure have. The world is going to warm up eventually. The problem is the speed at which it's doing so. Animals cannot adapt fast enough which IMO is the main issue we're going to have. But I absolutely agree with your last statement. Anyone who studies human nature knows that while some will be proactive, the vast majority of our species is reactionary and won't do a dang thing about it. So we'll have to suffer through it. Such is life.
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In the interest of science, I placed a Victorinox Recruit and and a piece of toast out on the sidewalk in front of my house. I checked on 'em an hour later. The toast somehow changed location, appeared to have been molested/nibbled on by something, plus there were ants on it. The SAK had vanished without a trace! Natural science or tree-hugging witchcraft devilry? You decide... 
-Brett
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If I give you my address would you be so kind as to place, say, a LionSteel SR-1 knife out on my sidewalk?
In the interest of science, I placed a Victorinox Recruit and and a piece of toast out on the sidewalk in front of my house. I checked on 'em an hour later. The toast somehow changed location, appeared to have been molested/nibbled on by something, plus there were ants on it. The SAK had vanished without a trace! Natural science or tree-hugging witchcraft devilry? You decide...
-Brett