"Tactical" Is Not a Purpose of Use and Represents an Undesirable Design Feature

If things labeled and perceived "tactical" were undesirable, they would not sell. Everything else is sold based on image, so why not knives..
 
jbombelli said:
All of that is beside that point. Is preparation for something that may end up never happening the same as living in a fantasy world?
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Nicely put. Clearly, the OP and those concurring with him think so. That's what's wrong with these assertions. They're based in a fundamental lack of understanding of the subject matter.
 
jbombelli said:
Is it the case that everyone who carries a gun but never finds himself in a gunfight was living in a fantasy world? Is preparation for something that MIGHT or MIGHT NOT happen the same as fantasy if it doesn't actually happen?
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Not really OT for this thread..... ;)

Percentages are that MOST LEO never have to take their weapons out in the line of duty and that percentage is VERY high if I remember correctly.....

The answer is there really is no real answer that fits all situations.
 
Ankerson said:
Not really OT for this thread..... ;)

Percentages are that MOST LEO never have to take their weapons out in the line of duty and that percentage is VERY high if I remember correctly.....

The answer is there really is no real answer that fits all situations.
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Percentages are that handguns are used thousands of times a year in self-defense, often with no shots fired. Percentages are that states that permit concealed carry by civilians have lower rates of crime than states that forbid it. Percentages are that civilians have a higher rate of success in self-defense shootings than cops do, too. You can't have the statistics both ways.
 
jbombelli said:
All of that is beside that point. Is preparation for something that may end up never happening the same as living in a fantasy world?
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Most of the time YES. Reminds me of those "preppers" in the suburbs, living in their paranoid fantasy state of mind instead of enjoying life. However, it's their money and their lives, so have at it...
 
DB731 said:
Most of the time YES. Reminds me of those "preppers" in the suburbs, living in their paranoid fantasy state of mind instead of enjoying life. However, it's their money and their lives, so have at it...
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That fact that you equate prudence with paranoia is the problem. Why would being responsible, and taking action to forestall future emergencies, automatically equal a flop-sweating state of fear and hatred for life in your mind?
 
jbombelli said:
All of that is beside that point. Is preparation for something that may end up never happening the same as living in a fantasy world?
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no, but then you are assuming a person is prepared rather than just carrying a knife around. A lot of people own guns for self or home protection that they have never fired, keep unloaded, or keep locked in a safe. are they prepared, or are they assuming that possession equals preparation? How many people who own a knife are actually in any way prepared t use it, or have made any attempt to evaluate the knife or themselves?

Swiping a credit card is not preparation, there's a bit more than that. Saying that a knife is 'tactical' does not mean it is a fighting knife, and saying that you own or carry a 'tactical' does not mean you can actually use it. Very few 'tacticals' are used for SD, I would guess almost zero exist in the stories linked earlier in the thread. All knives cut, most of the ones in your kitchen were designed to separate flesh qith relative ease. A black blade does not increase the effectiveness of a knife as a defense tool.
 
Ankerson said:
Not really OT for this thread..... ;)

Percentages are that MOST LEO never have to take their weapons out in the line of duty and that percentage is VERY high if I remember correctly.....

The answer is there really is no real answer that fits all situations.
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And yet here we have this thread chock full of absolutist positions, stating knives are not good for self defense and people carrying them for such reasons live in a fantasy world.

A firearm is not always the best solution. In some situations a knife can be a much better tool for the job. But hey... I guess I live in a triple fantasy world, since I carry a handgun, a knife, and a blackjack.

And the frequency with which LEOs have to draw their weapons has nothing to do with this conversation, unless we're LEOs.

hardheart said:
no, but then you are assuming a person is prepared rather than just carrying a knife around. A lot of people own guns for self or home protection that they have never fired, keep unloaded, or keep locked in a safe. are they prepared, or are they assuming that possession equals preparation? How many people who own a knife are actually in any way prepared t use it, or have made any attempt to evaluate the knife or themselves?

Swiping a credit card is not preparation, there's a bit more than that. Saying that a knife is 'tactical' does not mean it is a fighting knife, and saying that you own or carry a 'tactical' does not mean you can actually use it. Very few 'tacticals' are used for SD, I would guess almost zero exist in the stories linked earlier in the thread. All knives cut, most of the ones in your kitchen were designed to separate flesh qith relative ease. A black blade does not increase the effectiveness of a knife as a defense tool.
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I'm not assuming anything. I simply asked a question.
 
Sharp Phil said:
Percentages are that handguns are used thousands of times a year in self-defense, often with no shots fired. Percentages are that states that permit concealed carry by civilians have lower rates of crime than states that forbid it. Percentages are that civilians have a higher rate of success in self-defense shootings than cops do, too. You can't have the statistics both ways.
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With over 300 Million people living in the US currently those percentages are VERY low.....

Even is 100,000 people got into that situation the percentage would still be extremely low....

The numbers ARE there.....

Awareness is still the best defense and the best way to stay out of harms way...

If people don't look like a victim it's likely they won't become one.
 
Well, my mistake for assuming that when you asked about being prepared that you actually expected actual preparation to be involved.
 
Ankerson said:
With over 300 Million people living in the US currently those percentages are VERY low.....

Even is 100,000 people got into that situation the percentage would still be extremely low....

The numbers ARE there.....

Awareness is still the best defense and the best way to stay out of harms way...
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No, those percentages are not "very low." You're applying a subjective measure to what is an extant possibility. The number of people who experience a house fire is "very low" compared to the total number of homes in the United States, yet every home owner carries fire insurance unless he's very foolish.

Sticking your fingers in your ears, humming loudly, and declaring what people "need" based on your perception of what doesn't happen, what will never happen, what you hope can't or won't occur, is not a solution. It is wishful thinking. It is not rooted in any recognition of the basic facts of reality.
 
hardheart said:
Well, my mistake for assuming that when you asked about being prepared that you actually expected actual preparation to be involved.
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I asked if preparation was fantasy if such is never needed. I made no assumptions about what constitutes preparation.

Ken44 said:
Yep, this thread has went 100% Prac Tac over the last couple of pages.
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It went Prac Tac with the first post.

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I have homeowners insurance in case I need it. I have car insurance in case I need it. I have a liability umbrella policy in case I need it. I have a fire extinguisher in my truck in case I need it. I have a handgun on my hip in case I need it. I carry a knife in case I need it (granted it's a tool first and a backup weapon second). I carry blackjack in case I need it.

We all have a lot of things "just in case we need them." And the vast majority of us won't agree that all of those things constitute living in a fantasy. Why is it suddenly different with knives?
 
Sharp Phil said:
No, those percentages are not "very low." You're applying a subjective measure to what is an extant possibility. The number of people who experience a house fire is "very low" compared to the total number of homes in the United States, yet every home owner carries fire insurance unless he's very foolish.

Sticking your fingers in your ears, humming loudly, and declaring what people "need" based on your perception of what doesn't happen, what will never happen, what you hope can't or won't occur, is not a solution. It is wishful thinking. It is not rooted in any recognition of the basic facts of reality.
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The difference is that I am not trying to sell anything like fear based on an idea....

Nor do I talk about my past in detail for my own reasons.... ;)
 
Sharp Phil said:
No, it started that way. This never should have been a General thread.
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It was more about what manufactors are making/marketing. Not so much anymore.

I guess it did start somewhat Prac Tacish, but is 100% Prac Tac now.
Maybe it will be moved.
 
I agree with a lot of what you stated and that's one of the reasons why I've started making my own custom scales to replace the ubiquitous "tactical" black G10 scales in preference for a more elegant, refined, and gentlemanly look which happen to also be dubbed less tactical.
 
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