Taiwan made

[grownstar]

Just so we're clear, I hate you and everything you stand for. LOL But seriously, that is a gorgeous knife. Wow.


Man, where is the drool smiley when you need it?

Agreed! It's so simple, yet undeniably beautiful.

 

[Kyle_4]

The interesting thing with the Taiwan made is that they are selling copies that look exactly the same(apparently made in same plant). I have not purchased one, but various youtube videos/reviews claim that the fit/finish and steel are both just as good as the real deal. A $250 dollar knife selling for $40, maybe it was not a good idea to send production overseas??

 

[RevDevil]

With so many threads discussing this various topic, both for and against I still don't get why people would refuse to take a few minutes and educate themselves on the matter at least a little. It seems that beating the dead horse might be more enjoyable to the newer folks.

The interesting thing with the Taiwan made is that they are selling copies that look exactly the same(apparently made in same plant). I have not purchased one, but various youtube videos/reviews claim that the fit/finish and steel are both just as good as the real deal. A $250 dollar knife selling for $40, maybe it was not a good idea to send production overseas??

For what knife, the Southard?

 

[Kyle_4]

For what knife, the Southard?

Correct, I was talking about the Southard. I have not done much research into the fakes but I'm sure there are many others out there. Makes ya think twice about buying used...

 

[tazkristi]

The interesting thing with the Taiwan made is that they are selling copies that look exactly the same(apparently made in same plant). I have not purchased one, but various youtube videos/reviews claim that the fit/finish and steel are both just as good as the real deal. A $250 dollar knife selling for $40, maybe it was not a good idea to send production overseas??

Hi Kyle,
I'm not sure where you got your information, but all of the counterfeits that we've seen were not made in the same factory. Our maker in Taiwan is one of the finest and most honorable makers in the world. Every counterfeit that we've seen has come, to the best of our knowledge, from China. China and Taiwan are two vastly different places. Both Sal and I have discussed this issue at great length. I would encourage you to further research the topic.

I would add, if you or anyone else has any information regarding the counterfeits (what factory, etc.) please share it with us. We are deeply involved in the problem of counterfeits. You can find more information here, http://www.spyderco.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?8-Spyderco-like-knock-offs-replicas-and-fakes.

Kristi

 

[neffarious]

Well said!

 

[Kyle_4]

With so many threads discussing this various topic, both for and against I still don't get why people would refuse to take a few minutes and educate themselves on the matter at least a little. It seems that beating the dead horse might be more enjoyable to the newer folks.

For what knife, the Southard?

What is there to be educated on? I am just surprised at how real of a fake they have come out with.

 

[evilgreg]

What is there to be educated on? I am just surprised at how real of a fake they have come out with.

I dunno, you might want to get educated on your wild claim that the copies are anything like identical. I bought a fake so that I'd know the differences (as I've been buying up some Southards on the secondary market lately) and posted a detailed breakdown of the many differences in the Spyderco sub-forum's fakes thread.

Moreover, why would the knife being made in Taiwan have anything to do with it being copied? Or do you think CRKs and Striders are actually made in Asia too? Because there are high quality counterfeits of both of those available as well . . .

 

[The-Stig]

The Taiwan knives are some of the best. You should count yourself lucky.

 

[Kyle_4]

I dunno, you might want to get educated on your wild claim that the copies are anything like identical. I bought a fake so that I'd know the differences (as I've been buying up some Southards on the secondary market lately) and posted a detailed breakdown of the many differences in the Spyderco sub-forum's fakes thread.

Moreover, why would the knife being made in Taiwan have anything to do with it being copied? Or do you think CRKs and Striders are actually made in Asia too? Because there are high quality counterfeits of both of those available as well . . .

I actually read the one of the claims on Spyderco's "replicas/fakes" forum. I am basing it off what I read, I did not support the counterfeiters just to get an opinion. Can you please post a link to the differences thread you posted, I'd be interested in seeing it.

With the plant being in Taiwan (100 miles from inland China) I could see designs/manufacturing ideas easier to steal. That is just my opinion.

 

[neffarious]

Exactly. Kyle, You're from Canada, why do you even care where it's made? (see how ignorant that sounds.) Quality can come from anywhere as long as there are proper controls in place. What you need to be educated on is the part where you say they are being made in the same plant. That is simply not true. They are not identical copies either.

 

[BladeScout]

Hi Kyle,
I'm not sure where you got your information, but all of the counterfeits that we've seen were not made in the same factory. Our maker in Taiwan is one of the finest and most honorable makers in the world. Every counterfeit that we've seen has come, to the best of our knowledge, from China. China and Taiwan are two vastly different places. Both Sal and I have discussed this issue at great length. I would encourage you to further research the topic.

I would add, if you or anyone else has any information regarding the counterfeits (what factory, etc.) please share it with us. We are deeply involved in the problem of counterfeits. You can find more information here, http://www.spyderco.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?8-Spyderco-like-knock-offs-replicas-and-fakes.

Kristi

Kudos for showing remarkable restraint in the face of unsubstantiated allegations.

 

[evilgreg]

I actually read the one of the claims on Spyderco's "replicas/fakes" forum. I am basing it off what I read, I did not support the counterfeiters just to get an opinion. Can you please post a link to the differences thread you posted, I'd be interested in seeing it.

I made multiple posts in that thread, but here's a quick link to some discussion and photos, along with Sal's response.

With the plant being in Taiwan (100 miles from inland China) I could see designs/manufacturing ideas easier to steal. That is just my opinion.

You're welcome to your opinion, though I'd say it's provably incorrect. The same seedy site I purchased that Southard fake from sells high quality knockoffs of everything under the sun. Hinderers, CRKs, Striders, etc. Even the Scott Cook Lochsa. Fake William Henrys too. They don't just pick on US companies, either. You can get yourself a fake Rockstead or Zero Tolerance there as well.

Heck, just look at the Spyderco knives they rip off--they'll rip anything off that's popular, regardless of where it's made--fake PM2s are all over that place.

In my experience, the Spyderco knives manufactured in Taiwan are fantastic and Spyderco is a fantastic American company with a solidly lovable owner. Besides, most of the American knife companies have some model or another that's made in China nowadays--who will you have left to buy from you research it and realize you have to rule most of them out?

 

[Kyle_4]

Exactly. Kyle, You're from Canada, why do you even care where it's made? (see how ignorant that sounds.) Quality can come from anywhere as long as there are proper controls in place. What you need to be educated on is the part where you say they are being made in the same plant. That is simply not true. They are not identical copies either.

Lol...I never said quality cannot come from overseas. I have handled a production Southard and thought it was great. I said that by sending production overseas it could increase counterfeiting.

 

[Revival29]

Hi Kyle,
I'm not sure where you got your information, but all of the counterfeits that we've seen were not made in the same factory. Our maker in Taiwan is one of the finest and most honorable makers in the world. Every counterfeit that we've seen has come, to the best of our knowledge, from China. China and Taiwan are two vastly different places. Both Sal and I have discussed this issue at great length. I would encourage you to further research the topic.

I would add, if you or anyone else has any information regarding the counterfeits (what factory, etc.) please share it with us. We are deeply involved in the problem of counterfeits. You can find more information here, http://www.spyderco.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?8-Spyderco-like-knock-offs-replicas-and-fakes.

Kristi

Perfectly said. Good job Kristi.

 

[Stays Sharp]

I said that by sending production overseas it could increase counterfeiting.

Why exactly? And keeping it here decreases it? Thats stupid. Hinderers, CRK's, etc are all copied also. All the fancy things made in Italy are copied also. You said since Taiwan is 100 miles off of China so it's easier to make copies? What an opinion. Its just plain wrong. LOL all you want joke's on you, you sound very ignorant.

 

[Ankerson]

Hi Kyle,
I'm not sure where you got your information, but all of the counterfeits that we've seen were not made in the same factory. Our maker in Taiwan is one of the finest and most honorable makers in the world. Every counterfeit that we've seen has come, to the best of our knowledge, from China. China and Taiwan are two vastly different places. Both Sal and I have discussed this issue at great length. I would encourage you to further research the topic.

I would add, if you or anyone else has any information regarding the counterfeits (what factory, etc.) please share it with us. We are deeply involved in the problem of counterfeits. You can find more information here, http://www.spyderco.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?8-Spyderco-like-knock-offs-replicas-and-fakes.

Kristi

Exactly.

It's not all that hard to reverse engineer a knife, punch it into a CAD program, then all they have to do is send the CAD data to a factory and have them made.

Same goes for a lot of other products too.

 

[JNewell]

This thread again? We just had this thread...http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1157563-New-Spyderco-Mule-Team-made-in-Taiwan

So i got my spyderco mule team 18 and when i opened it up i saw Taichung Taiwan on the blade... I dont know about you guys but i felt really disappointed when i saw this. There was nothing on their site that said it where it was made so i just figured it was USA like the other mule team. I just dont under stand why they take a metal(CPM-S110V) thats made in new york and ship it off to be made and that its their most expensive of the series i thought Taiwan was supposed to be cheaper. Idk i just feel better knowing my knife was made here. Its like some sense of security and pride as well.

 

[JNewell]

So i got my spyderco mule team 18 and when i opened it up i saw Taichung Taiwan on the blade... I dont know about you guys but i felt really disappointed when i saw this. There was nothing on their site that said it where it was made so i just figured it was USA like the other mule team. I just dont under stand why they take a metal(CPM-S110V) thats made in new york and ship it off to be made and that its their most expensive of the series i thought Taiwan was supposed to be cheaper. Idk i just feel better knowing my knife was made here. Its like some sense of security and pride as well.

It was on the site, you just didn't look. The reason, as Sal Glesser has posted in the other thread, is that it would have taken years to get a production slot in Golden.

 

[Quillan]

Several things here. Yes, the bulk of Chinese/Taiwanese knives use recycled steel. I view this is an environmental positive, not a negative in any way.

As for the old and tired saw about "Chinese knives", I would suggest we all harken back to when "Made in Japan" was considered to be a joke. Look at them now.

Knives are manufactured offshore because it is cheaper to do so, which is a benefit to the consumer, isn't it? Furthermore, Taichung is famous for the quality of their products. Some simply outstanding stuff. BTW...I wonder what an Apple I-Phone would cost us if it was assembled in the USA or Canada? Market forces dictate business moves, and it is a fact of life that labour-intensive manufactured goods are more and more the domain of emerging economies. QC the great challenge facing these nations, but they have, and will continue to make great strides in their production capabilities relative to quality.

I have no problem buying a knife made anywhere in the world (child labour factories excluded) - it is either a good knife and a good value, or it isn't...