Taiwan made

[Kyle_4]

I made multiple posts in that thread, but here's a quick link to some discussion and photos, along with Sal's response.



You're welcome to your opinion, though I'd say it's provably incorrect. The same seedy site I purchased that Southard fake from sells high quality knockoffs of everything under the sun. Hinderers, CRKs, Striders, etc. Even the Scott Cook Lochsa. Fake William Henrys too. They don't just pick on US companies, either. You can get yourself a fake Rockstead or Zero Tolerance there as well.

Heck, just look at the Spyderco knives they rip off--they'll rip anything off that's popular, regardless of where it's made--fake PM2s are all over that place.

In my experience, the Spyderco knives manufactured in Taiwan are fantastic and Spyderco is a fantastic American company with a solidly lovable owner. Besides, most of the American knife companies have some model or another that's made in China nowadays--who will you have left to buy from you research it and realize you have to rule most of them out?

Thanks for the link. It is scary how close that fake one is to the real deal. That is the point I was getting at, I have seen other fakes and they can be quite easily spotted. The fake Southard seems much closer to the real one than the other fakes.

Why exactly? And keeping it here decreases it? Thats stupid. Hinderers, CRK's, etc are all copied also. All the fancy things made in Italy are copied also. You said since Taiwan is 100 miles off of China so it's easier to make copies? What an opinion. Its just plain wrong. LOL all you want joke's on you, you sound very ignorant.

Looks like the Southards release date was late 2012 and they already have an extremely similar fake. Other models have been out for years and the fakes don't look nearly as good...

 

[JNewell]

We generally distinguish Taiwan and China today, but as you did, I predict that before too many years have gone by "Made in China" will be a plus, not a minus. They are smart, energetic and hungry. Look out or they will eat our lunch.

Several things here. Yes, the bulk of Chinese/Taiwanese knives use recycled steel. I view this is an environmental positive, not a negative in any way.

As for the old and tired saw about "Chinese knives", I would suggest we all harken back to when "Made in Japan" was considered to be a joke. Look at them now.

Knives are manufactured offshore because it is cheaper to do so, which is a benefit to the consumer, isn't it? Furthermore, Taichung is famous for the quality of their products. Some simply outstanding stuff. BTW...I wonder what an Apple I-Phone would cost us if it was assembled in the USA or Canada? Market forces dictate business moves, and it is a fact of life that labour-intensive manufactured goods are more and more the domain of emerging economies. QC the great challenge facing these nations, but they have, and will continue to make great strides in their production capabilities relative to quality.

I have no problem buying a knife made anywhere in the world (child labour factories excluded) - it is either a good knife and a good value, or it isn't...

 

[Ankerson]

The one very important thing that hasn't been mentioned at all...

And I believe is the most important thing.

It's NOT the actual factory that sets the standard of quality, F&F and the materials used etc.

It's the Manufacturer or the Company as in this case Spyderco that sets the tone and the factory has to meet those set standards.

Sal and Eric are VERY picky about their products so those standards are very high.

 

[goldie]

^ +1 im sure the same goes for cold steel,kershaw as well...

 

[marcinek]

how am i trolling i was wondering wat others felt about the subject and wats wrong with my post history

I dunno...this?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1152556-What-knife-is-this

That said, as you can see, the Taichung Spydercos are highly regarded here.

 

[Stays Sharp]

Looks like the Southards release date was late 2012 and they already have an extremely similar fake. Other models have been out for years and the fakes don't look nearly as good...

Other models have been out fo years? So? You know there are airplanes in this day and age right? You think the Chinese took years to swim the Hinderer and CRK's back to China? How about the BM Snody that has a near clonefrom China? Its good that you dont know anything about fakes and how good the Kevin John fakes are. Keep it that way. There are fake ZT's that just came out last year. The Chinese can clone anything, anytime they want. They dont play by the rules and Taiwan has nothing to do with it.

 

[macknife12]

I remember when everything made in Japan was cheap and nasty. Now, they have turned that around.
Same when Korea came out with the Hyundai Pony, terrible. But they also turned that around. Taiwan has also come a long way. Now, when I hear that a new Spyderco knife is coming out of Taiwan, I become very interested.
Cheers

 

[RevDevil]

What is there to be educated on? I am just surprised at how real of a fake they have come out with.

The top portion was for the OP, which is why it was clumped together with the reply meant for you, under your quoted txt. Besides, every one of us here you, me, and the cat next door still have a whole lot of learning to do. It helps tremendously to point people in the right direction, not state opinions as facts, and make wild unfounded assumptions on things related to an industry that is extremely complex. Generally speaking of course.

 

[Alnamvet68]

What's being left out in this conversation is the fact that all these factories overseas, especially in Asia, are using the latest and greatest in technology when it comes to manufacturing. This reminds me of the arguments many used to make against the use of cast or MIM parts in Colt 1911's...there just is no way one can get the tolerances of a MIM part with a hand shaped or the use of 100 year old tooling. China I am sure can manufacture knives that could easily surpass the quality, fit, and finish of some of our most famous custom makers provided they are given an incentive to do so, and the raw materials, such as the US steels, to make these knives. If China produced a uber fine rendition of say a T. Bose Case folder, using at the very least, a US produced steel, and the quality, fit and finish surpassed that of a Bose folder, it wouldn't sell because of where its manufactured. They can do it, they have the latest and greatest in manufacturing tech, but they are aware of their reputation, earned or not; Made in Taiwan or Made in Japan still evokes raised eyebrows in some circles, but Spyderco has done a lot to alleviate those concerns, and the Taiwanese and Japanese have acquitted themselves very well in this arena as well.

 

[JNewell]

In the photo world, people strongly prefer cameras that are MIJ. Relatively few cameras are, though, because it's too expensive.

 

[RamZar]

The Taichung, Taiwan made Spyderco knives are my first choice of all Spydercos and they're amongst the highest quality production knives on the planet.

 

[Quiff]

As a Taiwanese knife nut, I was very surprised when I first learned that many notable knife brands are made here in Taiwan.
Most people here have no idea that Taiwan is known for manufacturing outsourced knives,
let alone knowing that a Taichung factory is providing top quality Spyderco knives.

And except a few hikers and native Taiwanese, we don't even have a knife-using culture here.
Therefore making fake Spydies here is probably not profitable,
because there is not a big knife market here.

Speaking of which, the Spyderco Bob Lum Chinese folder is probably the only Taiwan local blade type.
It is said to be originated from Guang-Dong, China 160 years ago,
the Chinese folder is normally called the "Shih-Lin knife" here,
where Shih-Lin was the place in Taipei where most of these knives were made,
but now there is only one or two makers left.

They are also called Bamboo-Leaf-Blade and Eggplant-Handle Knife,
due to the shape of it.

 

[Monofletch]

My Harsey Hunter is a Taiwan made blade and I love it!

 

[craytab]

Complaining about country of manufacture AFTER a product is purchase shows a lack of basic research into said product and is just childish. Looking at the OPs previous threads, the fact that this occurred should not surprise any of us.

 

[The Mastiff]

Complaining about country of manufacture AFTER a product is purchase shows a lack of basic research into said product and is just childish. Looking at the OPs previous threads, the fact that this occurred should not surprise any of u

I seriously doubt the OP even had a mule. He was beefed at BF and just trying to cause trouble. He picked a relatively successfully emotion causing thread from the day before and just restarted it as the other one had been moved to Spyderco and gone quiet. Recall stating how he wanted to be banned.

That is what it seemed like anyhow. Someone buying $12 knock offs and getting dinged here for rule violating isn't exactly prime mule program material.

 

[goldie]

I got over the taiwan thing years ago, thanks to crkt, & outdoor edge,to name a few.i think those makers,spyderco,cold steel were the groundbreakers there,ag russell,too.They have helped make the quality that is coming from there today,and at this point,it can only get better. look at the Hyundai Genesis.not that im a fan of it,but 12 years ago, that car would be unheard of coming from that company or korea...

 

[Skywalker1]

As a Taiwanese knife nut, I was very surprised when I first learned that many notable knife brands are made here in Taiwan.
Most people here have no idea that Taiwan is known for manufacturing outsourced knives,
let alone knowing that a Taichung factory is providing top quality Spyderco knives.

And except a few hikers and native Taiwanese, we don't even have a knife-using culture here.
Therefore making fake Spydies here is probably not profitable,
because there is not a big knife market here.

Speaking of which, the Spyderco Bob Lum Chinese folder is probably the only Taiwan local blade type.
It is said to be originated from Guang-Dong, China 160 years ago,
the Chinese folder is normally called the "Shih-Lin knife" here,
where Shih-Lin was the place in Taipei where most of these knives were made,
but now there is only one or two makers left.

They are also called Bamboo-Leaf-Blade and Eggplant-Handle Knife,
due to the shape of it.

Wow, those are cool!

 

[Screwdriver]

What I find funny is the not so subtle connection people make with China and Taiwan. These are completely different counties. And using 100 miles as an argument to the speed of counterfeiting is a joke, unless the person has never heard of FedEX or UPS.

I am all for American made products and if the quality is there I will purchase it over one made in another country. But as I sit here on my couch typing this in my Made in China laptop.....I look around and see a Chinese TV, DVR/Receiver, ROKU, Sonos, Japanese Marantz receiver and German turntable (even though the wooden base is made in the US). The only thing around me made in America is our mid century furniture....Oh, and some of that is Danish. Even my Harley has shocks and electronics sourced out of the US.

 

[todapoint]

Wow this thread really went off haha. Just for example why I'm a lil iffy on Taiwanese: I'm also into gopeds and I am hemibigfoot on GPN. My ChungYang(Taiwan) motor has blown up multiple times since I've had it and I kept having to rebuild it when my Zenoah(Japan) has never givin me any problems all the years I've had it. Anyway I'm debating what to do with my mt 18 as of now I'm goin to keep it but I'm still thinking of either trading or selling

 

[Ankerson]

Wow this thread really went off haha. Just for example why I'm a lil iffy on Taiwanese: I'm also into gopeds and I am hemibigfoot on GPN. My ChungYang(Taiwan) motor has blown up multiple times since I've had it and I kept having to rebuild it when my Zenoah(Japan) has never givin me any problems all the years I've had it. Anyway I'm debating what to do with my mt 18 as of now I'm goin to keep it but I'm still thinking of either trading or selling

Since 1492 when Christopher Columbus discovered the New World, that became the United States and there has been trade from the beginning.

So it's been 522 years of trading of goods and services between the US and other Countries.

And the US was founded by immigrants so I am not sure what the point is.....

So in effect everyone except the American Indians ancestors are from other parts of the world.

Going back even farther all human life began in Africa.......

But then people seem to conveniently forget history.... Unless they don't teach history in school anymore....