Taiwan made

[Bigfatts]

Wow this thread really went off haha. Just for example why I'm a lil iffy on Taiwanese: I'm also into gopeds and I am hemibigfoot on GPN. My ChungYang(Taiwan) motor has blown up multiple times since I've had it and I kept having to rebuild it when my Zenoah(Japan) has never givin me any problems all the years I've had it. Anyway I'm debating what to do with my mt 18 as of now I'm goin to keep it but I'm still thinking of either trading or selling

That's kind of like saying "Well, I had a (insert brand) pistol that was made in the US and it sucked. Now that I'm looking for a lawn mower I think I'll buy a Husqvarna because the US can't produce a quality pistol." :stupid:

 

[Ankerson]

That's kind of like saying "Well, I had a (insert brand) pistol that was made in the US and it sucked. Now that I'm looking for a lawn mower I think I'll buy a Husqvarna because the US can't produce a quality pistol." :stupid:

Yeah the logic never seems to add up does it?

 

[Jastab]

Dang Taiwanese made knives, I hates them too, send me yours for proper disposal.











Please do some research, Spyderco factory in Boulder is slammed, you still got an American made steel, from an American company.

It's actually mind blowing that this mule was only $10 more than the last. The steel was made here, shipped over, made into knives and shipped back, come on people.

You do some research and you'll see spyderco is in golden not boulder....

 

[Stays Sharp]

Great, the double standard. If a US product failed on you, say a knife with a bad heat treat for example, you would quickly dismiss it and move on. You obviously have a predisposed problem with Taiwan and I doubt it is just because of an RC motor failing... But now everything from there sucks right? Do you like sounding ignorant? Funny thing is, on many foreign products, American companies send them the specs they want and the price they want to pay for them and they build it for us. They are capable of making good and bad products depending on what our companies want. You think Japan has higher quality? They might... For a higher price, and that quality can be replicated elsewhere. China builds crap because that's what we want to pay. Of course, if we want to pay more, it makes less sense to build it overseas so that's what we get.

 

[Jroden5446]

You do some research and you'll see spyderco is in golden not boulder....

Yep, I misspoke/ got cities mixed up, your point?

 

[neffarious]

Pretty sure he just wanted to say Nanny Nanny boo boo, you are wro-ong!

 

[jazub]

What I find funny is the not so subtle connection people make with China and Taiwan. These are completely different counties. And using 100 miles as an argument to the speed of counterfeiting is a joke, unless the person has never heard of FedEX or UPS.

I am all for American made products and if the quality is there I will purchase it over one made in another country. But as I sit here on my couch typing this in my Made in China laptop.....I look around and see a Chinese TV, DVR/Receiver, ROKU, Sonos, Japanese Marantz receiver and German turntable (even though the wooden base is made in the US). The only thing around me made in America is our mid century furniture....Oh, and some of that is Danish. Even my Harley has shocks and electronics sourced out of the US.

First off, I am not intending to pick at you, Screwdriver; I just feel that you concisely illustrated a point in a reasonable manner which many people blather as "what are you typing on???", etc.

It is true that many things all around us are made in Asia now. One opinion is that this is due to selfishness on the part of business people who want to circumvent domestic labor and environmental laws in order to maximize their profit margins in the near term. Some people see outsourcing as training business rivals, cutting out domestic labor and eliminating a manufacturing base in their own country, wherever that may be, in exchange for a short term bump in profits for one or two dudes. Eventually, the cost of doing business in the other country (lets say Japan) equalizes and you have to move someplace else because you are over a barrel and it costs more to make things there than it would at home.

The culmination of this chasing-cheap-labor model is exactly what you stated: you look around the room and everything is made someplace else, you have less say in quality standards, can't produce replacement parts for your own branded products, -and there is no choice but to type on very expensive laptops that put hundreds of billions of dollars of profit in corporate coffers. The price does not end up going down for the consumer; the profit for the top simply increases. Choosing to purchase goods made in the USA is not as dim-witted a decision as many here make it out to be with their "'Merica!" hillbilly portrayals.

I am not anti-Taiwain or racist against Asians; I just see a dim future in supporting those goods overwhelmingly in my purchasing life when given a choice. I have Taiwanese knives that I like very much -but they are priced as Made-In-Taiwan products.

As to Spyderco, they began by making outsourced knives. Good for them that they produce some products domestically now. They didn't have to.

Again, no offense directed at you, Screwdriver. Now back to surfing on my Designed-By-Some-Guy-In-Pajamas, Made In China computer....

 

[Ankerson]

First off, I am not intending to pick at you, Screwdriver; I just feel that you concisely illustrated a point in a reasonable manner which many people blather as "what are you typing on???", etc.

It is true that many things all around us are made in Asia now. One opinion is that this is due to selfishness on the part of business people who want to circumvent domestic labor and environmental laws in order to maximize their profit margins in the near term. Some people see outsourcing as training business rivals, cutting out domestic labor and eliminating a manufacturing base in their own country, wherever that may be, in exchange for a short term bump in profits for one or two dudes. Eventually, the cost of doing business in the other country (lets say Japan) equalizes and you have to move someplace else because you are over a barrel and it costs more to make things there than it would at home.

The culmination of this chasing-cheap-labor model is exactly what you stated: you look around the room and everything is made someplace else, you have less say in quality standards, can't produce replacement parts for your own branded products, -and there is no choice but to type on very expensive laptops that put hundreds of billions of dollars of profit in corporate coffers. The price does not end up going down for the consumer; the profit for the top simply increases. Choosing to purchase goods made in the USA is not as dim-witted a decision as many here make it out to be with their "'Merica!" hillbilly portrayals.

I am not anti-Taiwain or racist against Asians; I just see a dim future in supporting those goods overwhelmingly in my purchasing life when given a choice. I have Taiwanese knives that I like very much -but they are priced as Made-In-Taiwan products.

As to Spyderco, they began by making outsourced knives. Good for them that they produce some products domestically now. They didn't have to.

Again, no offense directed at you, Screwdriver. Now back to surfing on my Designed-By-Some-Guy-In-Pajamas, Made In China computer....

I doubt anyone is saying dim witted etc, but the fact of the matter is that things are the way they are and have been for over 3 decades now, much longer than that if one really wants to go into it.

So unless something really massive happens like a world changing event, it's not going to change anytime soon.

For now there really isn't any real logic to it however.

Made in USA has become a buzzword, very sad really because the US should have never lost it's manufacturing in the 1st place...

One day maybe the Corporations will run out of Countries and people to use and exploit and it all will come back around to the US....

Getting it back will take a very long time if it ever does come back at all, but it will never be what it once was, that's long gone....

 

[Jastab]

Yep, I misspoke/ got cities mixed up, your point?

I'm glad its golden and not boulder, that place SUCKS!!

 

[9blades]

I'm glad its golden and not boulder, that place SUCKS!!

Why does Boulder suck lolz? It has beautiful scenery, and the people are nice enough.

 

[Jastab]

Why does Boulder suck lolz? It has beautiful scenery, and the people are nice enough.

It does have nice views, but as a whole that town is gross. Almost every street sign/dumpster is tagged, trash EVERYWHERE and homeless people everywhere. Its full of snobby 13yr old trust fund babies who can actually afford boulders out landish housing prices. For being a hippie town, no one picks up their trash. I'm there 40+ hours a week for work, and I would never move there even if I had free rent. Tourist might like the views, but a local coloradoan can tell how run down it is compared to other towns. You want views, go to aspen or vail....

 

[todapoint]

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[Hairlesstwinkie]

I decided to sell my mt18p on jd for $165 shipped that's a good price right. All I did was open it then put it back in the box and in a drawer. Sorry if this is against the rules if so I will delete this post

You're paying for US made components and foreign labor. It's not a hard concept to understand. It's US made parts that are being shipped over seas to be assembled then shipped back here as finished product.

 

[marcinek]

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Well, lets see. 1) You are asking for a valuation of your knife as a Registered User. Against the rules. 2) You are asking the question on a site you are unwilling to support by buying the proper membership level to seell on. Why should the BF community support you?