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Talk me out of a Spyderco (if you can)
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Thank you, Gramps! Michaelmcgo (the guy who posted that"Spyderco sucks"), I do believe is a Spyderco fan. I think he was trying to do what the original poster wanted, albeit briefly and somewhat tactlessly.
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...actually that post was mostly intended as "tongue in cheek"..I'll go back and reflect that in an edit....I know that michaelmcgo is one of the "good guys" !
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You caught me lying again. I am actually quite a spyderco fan (of everything but the Endura and Delica though...). My latest Spyderco has been a D'allara drop point, and I can't say enough good about this folder! I applaud Spyderco for a few reasons: They cater to a certain croud (tactical and SD folding knives) and refuse to leave that niche. They have many original ideas, and improve on old ones. They use great working materials that don't let us down (gotta love VG-10). And their knives that are made in Golden, CO are top notch in quality (the ones from Japan are some of the best made imports as well).
What is being said of the Manix is true. If it weren't for the tiny amount of blade play in their lockbacks, the Manix would come very close to the perfect large production folder! I have a Manix and love it, I too have been looking at getting a Military (in BG-42) as well. Don't discount the D'allara, it's a whole lot of knife for the price! Ramble complete.
What is being said of the Manix is true. If it weren't for the tiny amount of blade play in their lockbacks, the Manix would come very close to the perfect large production folder! I have a Manix and love it, I too have been looking at getting a Military (in BG-42) as well. Don't discount the D'allara, it's a whole lot of knife for the price! Ramble complete.
Me too. I said: "generally". The ones I saw in nylon used AUS8A. Not bad steel if it has the working design.
SOG is fine with me I like BG-42, SK-5 and Damascus, which they make and made knives in. They don't just use AUS8A steel. BG-42 is the best knife steel IMO. I like some of their AUS8A knives too.
Spydercos AUS8A knives don't impress me much. I like VG-10 in other than a nylon handle that has a good working design.
I never saw a SOG AO with aluminum handle (or any SOG). Springs break and SOG will make it good if... Thin blades flex (as long as they come back to straight). I wasn't trumping SOG knives here. Spyderco makes nice knives.
I wont buy a knife I think will break in the field. Your right about not going by looks alone. Next time I get a chance to hold one, in the store, I am going to give it a grip test.
A ho hum steel is something like AUS8A or less (bottom line for better knife makers).
Name 'em! If you're going to make a blanket statement (you used the tem "generally") like that, you should be able to back it up. So, please, tell me which FRN-handled Spyderco models have the "cheaper steel"? I bet you can't!
Next time I go to that store...
You put the "sweet looking babe" part in there, but I have a feeling you know darn well that no FRN Spyderco can be broken by the grip of even an above average strength man. If you think I'm wrong, proove it. Even your favorite company, Cold Steel, would at least attempt to back up their claims on video.
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Look up hyperbole.
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Name 'em! If you're going to make a blanket statement (you used the tem "generally") like that, you should be able to back it up. So, please, tell me which FRN-handled Spyderco models have the "cheaper steel"? I bet you can't!
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3G
That's the best you can do to back up your assertion? Maybe you should think before you type?
(I sure hope my "wink" emoticon doesn't offend you.)Regards,
3G
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I do believe that Spyderco no longer uses AUS-8 or lower quality steels for any of their current models EXCEPT for:
Jester (AUS-6), Ladybug (AUS-6), Vagabond (AUS-8), Dragonfly (AUS-8), Byrd Series(8Cr13gyfw6tgf78gf478Mov).
These are their smaller and cheaper models, 2 of which are keychain knives. All of their larger FRN models have S30V, VG-10 and H1. You'll find their older versions in AUS-8 and AUS-6.
You might be confusing Spyderco with Cold Steel
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I do believe that Spyderco no longer uses AUS-8 or lower quality steels for any of their current models EXCEPT for:
Jester (AUS-6), Ladybug (AUS-6), Vagabond (AUS-8), Dragonfly (AUS-8), Byrd Series(8Cr13gyfw6tgf78gf478Mov).
These are their smaller and cheaper models, 2 of which are keychain knives. All of their larger FRN models have S30V, VG-10 and H1. You'll find their older versions in AUS-8 and AUS-6.
You might be confusing Spyderco with Cold Steel
Actually, the only folding FRN Spyderco with less than VG-10 blade steel, as of the 2007 catalog, is the FRN Dragonfly, with AUS-8. The Jester has been discontinued, and as of this year, even the FRN Ladybug has VG-10 blade steel!
Sog (the poster, not the company) doesn't know the first thing about Spyderco. In fact, he's probably even offended by the Spyderco bug logo. Maybe he thinks it looks like a menacing emoticon.
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3G
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Actually, the only folding FRN Spyderco with less than VG-10 blade steel, as of the 2007 catalog, is the FRN Dragonfly, with AUS-8. The Jester has been discontinued, and as of this year, even the FRN Ladybug has VG-10 blade steel!
Sog (the poster, not the company) doesn't know the first thing about Spyderco. In fact, he's probably even offended by the Spyderco bug logo. Maybe he thinks it looks like a menacing emoticon.
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3G
Discontinued the Jester
?!?!?? I find it more useful than the Ladybug. But before handling either, I thought the Jester looked funny and would've picked the Ladybug over the Jester. Now I know, Spyderco doesn't put useless features on knives...
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Discontinued the Jester
Believe it or not, Spyderco actually put the Jester's handle on this year's VG-10 upgraded Ladybug. Best of both worlds if you ask me!
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3G
Actually, the only folding FRN Spyderco with less than VG-10 blade steel, as of the 2007 catalog, is the FRN Dragonfly, with AUS-8. The Jester has been discontinued, and as of this year, even the FRN Ladybug has VG-10 blade steel!
Sog (the poster, not the company) doesn't know the first thing about Spyderco. In fact, he's probably even offended by the Spyderco bug logo. Maybe he thinks it looks like a menacing emoticon.
Regards,
3G
Spyderco makes a knife of 8Cr13MoV. You don't think that is better than VG-10 do you?
That 8Cr13MoV knife is made in China with Spydercos' name on it. Who else makes knives in China?
I actually went to the dealer and had them get a couple out with nylon handles . Yes I should have handled one before to see if it would break. I found out they have a liner as do the others there, some were in VG-10, some in 8Cr13MoV. They wont break because of the liner, but the handle still looks like crap IMO I repeat IMO. The 8Cr13MoV ones are made in China and look it. 8Cr13MoV is defenitely a ho hum steel IMO. I am not a Spyderco fan, but I think the ones made in USA are quality knives, but I still dont like the nylon handle ones. Perhaps the ones I seen before were of AUS8A and were discontinued. AUS8A is probably much better than the 8Cr13MoV steel knives made in China for Spyderco.
Generally is a term I used that is based on my personal experience and is not provable.
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Spyderco is the designer and importer of a line of knives under a different brand name (not Spyderco), BYRD.
From Spyderco's website (that's Spyderco.com):
"Byrd knives are a new species of knives produced and imported by Spyderco. An independent standing product line, they offer first time knife buyers or those looking for hard-working and not bank-breaking knives, more options. They also create an alternative to Spyderco's main CLIPIT-line of high performance knives."
(Underlines added by me)
Prove it! Show me a Chinese made knife, with 8Cr13MoV blade steel, and with "Spydercos' name on it"! I want to see a picture, so post one or link to one!
So, what were you going to do, see if you could break your dealer's knife? Pure genius! Again, where's the proof? You do realize that you make a lot of really lame comments and assertions without knowing much about anything, and when asked for proof, you make comments that are even more lame, don't you?
Are you even familiar with the composition of 8Cr13MoV? Not that it really matters, because Spyderco does not use it, Byrd does.
Another genius statement! I think maybe you should preface any statements you make with that disclaimer.
From the dictionary (a worthwhile investment) http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/generally:
"Main Entry: gen·er·al·ly
Pronunciation: 'jen-r&-lE, 'je-n&-, 'je-n&r-lE
Function: adverb
: in a general manner: as a : in disregard of specific instances and with regard to an overall picture <generally speaking> b : as a rule : USUALLY "
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Well, here's a few (links provided in case you think they aren't really Aluminum handles, or that they aren't really SOGs):
"AO" (assisted open)
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOGTWI11
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOGTWI15
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOGTWI6
Non-AO (non-assisted open), fixed blade
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOGC47
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOGC47T
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Holy wow! I've been away on a trip, and I come back to three pages of response!
Thanks so much, to all, for the advice. I really appreciate it. I eyeballed a used Al Mar Nomad for a while, but I'm righy back to Spyderco. It's a treat looking through their catalog, and from what I've heard, it's hard to go wrong.
Thanks again!
Thanks so much, to all, for the advice. I really appreciate it. I eyeballed a used Al Mar Nomad for a while, but I'm righy back to Spyderco. It's a treat looking through their catalog, and from what I've heard, it's hard to go wrong.
Thanks again!