I'm not sure that there was a secret meaning about what I said. I just think a 32 JHP at point blank range in the chest would do more damage than one would probablyl think.
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Talk me out of it... .32 Tomcat
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I'm not sure that there was a secret meaning about what I said. I just think a 32 JHP at point blank range in the chest would do more damage than one would probablyl think.
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Have you checked out an LCP or the new Kahr .380? The Ruger is close to the Kel Tec in price, same dimensions and better finished. I have a KT P3AT and an LCP. Both have been flawless. The Kel-Tec has a CT laser and and rides in a pocket holster. The LCP I tote in on the belt in a Fobus holster when wearing shorts and a T-shirt, or in the pocket. I alternate between those and a 340 PD with CT grips, which I prefer when possible. I had a Kahr PM40, pretty much the same dimensions as the PM9. It was harder for me to pocket carry than the J frame, snagged and printed in anything I wore. It was very unreliable, which seems out of the norm for Kahr products. Several fixes and it still would not work right. I got it back the last time and traded it off. The Cor Bon stuff out of those mini .380s is pretty hot.
airweight, or scandium "j"'s are cool (in .38 special anyway, .357 mag, not so much) but i would prefer a kahr PM9 or P9, or a glock 26/27/33, over the 'j', but the old 'j' isnt a bad choice imho.
why?
for one thing the 9MM is a better SD round imho, the pistol is also a lot slimmer and easier to conceal, at least the kahrs are, the glock not so much, but still some.
but, again, the 'j' isnt a bad choice, i break down and carry one every now and again, i just prefer the kahr PM9.
airweight, or scandium "j"'s are cool (in .38 special anyway, .357 mag, not so much) but i would prefer a kahr PM9 or P9, or a glock 26/27/33, over the 'j', but the old 'j' isnt a bad choice imho.
why?
for one thing the 9MM is a better SD round imho, the pistol is also a lot slimmer and easier to conceal, at least the kahrs are, the glock not so much, but still some.
but, again, the 'j' isnt a bad choice, i break down and carry one every now and again, i just prefer the kahr PM9.
any of the above is a lot better than any 22, 25, 32, 380, etc, no doubt.
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I'm not a 9mm fan in general, but I will concede that with good ammo it's certainly just as good as a .38+p, and a Kahr is easier to conceal. I'm normally a .45ACP and .357 fanboy, but in a concealable gun a 9mm, .380, or .38+p is as much as most folks (myself included) can actually shoot and hit anything, I think anything smaller is a big step down, I'm still trying to figure out the ballistics on the Beretta advertising that their .32 has the power of a .380
My .357s often have the power of .38special, when they're loaded with .38specials
I prefer/recommend revolvers for reliability/more forgiving of neglect, limpwristing etc. Let's face it most civilians do not properly maintain their semi-autos, I don't myself, typically only lube them the day before going to the range, and that's probably better than most folks do. I realize of course that on this forum it's likely that many of you DO actually properly maintain your pistols, I'm referring more the people/gun owners in general, and if I were going to use a pistol instead of a revolver I'd properly maintain mine.
My .357s often have the power of .38special, when they're loaded with .38specialsI prefer/recommend revolvers for reliability/more forgiving of neglect, limpwristing etc. Let's face it most civilians do not properly maintain their semi-autos, I don't myself, typically only lube them the day before going to the range, and that's probably better than most folks do. I realize of course that on this forum it's likely that many of you DO actually properly maintain your pistols, I'm referring more the people/gun owners in general, and if I were going to use a pistol instead of a revolver I'd properly maintain mine.
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I'd say the caliber alone should make you shy away from it... .380 would be easier to find, and in my opinion better than a .32
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I had a Tomcat and it was too thick and bulky to just be a .32.
The best thing about it was the pop up to load/unload barrel.
If I am going to carry a .32 it's going to be one that's a lot smaller than the TC. Such as my North American Arms .32 shown here in the center. A much better made pistol and a much better size for a .32, IMO.
Also, I heard rumors that the alloy frame on the TC was prone to cracking. Mine was sold soon after I bought it, so I never shot it enough to have troubles, myself. But, seems there is some concern...
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/beretta/20462-tomcat-frame-cracks.html
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=4526
The best thing about it was the pop up to load/unload barrel.
If I am going to carry a .32 it's going to be one that's a lot smaller than the TC. Such as my North American Arms .32 shown here in the center. A much better made pistol and a much better size for a .32, IMO.
Also, I heard rumors that the alloy frame on the TC was prone to cracking. Mine was sold soon after I bought it, so I never shot it enough to have troubles, myself. But, seems there is some concern...
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/beretta/20462-tomcat-frame-cracks.html
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=4526
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good post bossman...... if i HAD to get a pocket pistol ( in which i had to and i did get) the tomcat would be one of the last as stated above. for the price of the gun AND the bullets its just not cost worthy.. instead i got a Ruger LCP .380. they are modeled after the keltec pocket pistols only much much much much better made than the POS keltecs... i have owned KT's and ill never own another.
ruger lcp is the way to go for pocket pistols.
in general calibers of that nature (anything under 9mm) would be best shot in FMJ for penetration purposes. JHP's lose a lot of ooomph on impact.. esp if thick clothes are involved... go FMJ for anything under 9mm.. just a tip, it may save your life or someone elses.
me too, but i also prefer the keltec P32 to the seecamp lol, my neighbor has a seecamp and i've shot it a bit and imho its not as reliable as the keltec(his seecamp vs my P32, anyway), though i know its hard to judge by just one gun, but the keltec is also thinner, lighter, holds more ammo, cheaper, YMMV.
as far as .32 vs .380 you are not gonna find a lot of differnce between the 2, i certainly would not sell a good .32 to get a .380 expecting a big increase in anything related to the calibre, the 2 are just too similar.
as far as .32 vs .380 you are not gonna find a lot of differnce between the 2, i certainly would not sell a good .32 to get a .380 expecting a big increase in anything related to the calibre, the 2 are just too similar.
I'm not a 9mm fan in general, but I will concede that with good ammo it's certainly just as good as a .38+p, and a Kahr is easier to conceal. I'm normally a .45ACP and .357 fanboy, but in a concealable gun a 9mm, .380, or .38+p is as much as most folks (myself included) can actually shoot and hit anything, I think anything smaller is a big step down, I'm still trying to figure out the ballistics on the Beretta advertising that their .32 has the power of a .380
I prefer/recommend revolvers for reliability/more forgiving of neglect, limpwristing etc. Let's face it most civilians do not properly maintain their semi-autos, I don't myself, typically only lube them the day before going to the range, and that's probably better than most folks do. I realize of course that on this forum it's likely that many of you DO actually properly maintain your pistols, I'm referring more the people/gun owners in general, and if I were going to use a pistol instead of a revolver I'd properly maintain mine.
9mm actually has better performance than .38+p, even out of subcompacts.
i have had 2 .380's from KT and the 9mm from KT. ALL had to be returned due to a manufacturing fault.. i will give them credit for great customer service but the hit or miss quality and the fact that most of them need to be tweaked certainly has turned me off. i sold them and got the ruger LCP.. by far a better make for such a small pistol.. love that lil gun. i have a pocket holster for that and jerry rigged the holster to hold an extra magazine on the side. it fits perfectly in my pocket.
the gun i am wanting to finger and fondle now is the new Ruger compact 9mm... dual recoil springs. supposedly it shoots better than the full size version of the same pistol.. now thats awesome
oh yeah, thats 100% correct, the 9MM blows the .38 away, not to mention 9MM +P or +P+, even the std pressure stuffs a lot hotter.
i have seen pics of ballistics gel with 9MM +P+ 127gr ranger, 357SIG 125gr ranger and .40 S&W 180gr ranger and if ya didnt know which was which ya would never tell it from looking, they were all almost identical, the days of 9MM being only a bordeline decent SD calibre are long gone, if you do your job it will do its job.
they keep .38 spec. low pressure because there are so many old guns around, liability issues.
didnt know that.. hmm learn something new every day... hard to believe the larger .38 is not as strong as a lil 9mm cartridge... yes the 9mm cartridges have came a long way since WW2 lol
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OK, I'm drunk, and tired, and ready for bed, and I've been intentionally ignoring this thread because there are way too many self-professed experts here, but I have to comment on a couple of things.
"The 9 mm 'blows away' 38 Specials." Well. Some nines blow away some 38s. This is way too complicated a topic to make sweeping generalizations like that. While the statement isn't false on its face, I could just as easily find some 38s that blow away some 9s.
I've spent a lot more time than most of you guys have even been alive paying attention to these issues. As a result of all that, I've come to a few conclusions. One of them is that there's a reason why just about every law enforcement agency in America fell In love with the nine, and then quickly fell out of love with it.
Hey, a 9 is beats the hell out of praying every day of the week. So does a 38. So does a .380. Not so sure about a .32, though.
"The 9 mm 'blows away' 38 Specials." Well. Some nines blow away some 38s. This is way too complicated a topic to make sweeping generalizations like that. While the statement isn't false on its face, I could just as easily find some 38s that blow away some 9s.
I've spent a lot more time than most of you guys have even been alive paying attention to these issues. As a result of all that, I've come to a few conclusions. One of them is that there's a reason why just about every law enforcement agency in America fell In love with the nine, and then quickly fell out of love with it.
Hey, a 9 is beats the hell out of praying every day of the week. So does a 38. So does a .380. Not so sure about a .32, though.
its all aobut shot placement anyway regardless of caliber. the only twist to that is anything below 9mm.. use fmj's for those.