Talonite Good, Bad or Ugly?

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Knives are both an art and a science, and Cliff, you give every one of us who tries to look toward the science part a bad name. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have the technical skill to make a knife, nor the time to learn, at the moment. I do, however, recognise and respect what a maker goes through to make a knife. Cliff, a handmade knife has some of the maker's soul in it (alonmg with some blood and sweat, I'm sure
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), and to destroy that for no good reason (no one's life is on the line) by subjecting the knife to things it was absolutely not made for is downright wrong. If you want to do some legitimate tests, which test a knife doing what it's intended purpose is (whatever it is, for that knife), I'm all for that, but the foolish tests you do, not conducted in even a vaguely scientific manner (so you can't even claim scientific objectivity), are pointless. As I said, you make every one of us who cares about the science part of knifemaking look like some sort of two-bit hack. I, for one, am sick of being compared to you.

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I don't make knives or even use them very hard, but I sure enjoy reading about them - particularly Mr. Stamps reviews. Sad to see such a respected maker and BF moderator go off on a such a personal attack.
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Is this what purgatory is like?

(I promise I'll be good in the next life, really, I mean it!!!
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Sheesh. Now I know what Sartre meant when he said "Hell is other people".
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Snoop
Sorry you feel that way. Just because I am a moderator dosent mean that I dont have an opinion and it also dosent mean that I have to put up with untrue comments from a Anyone.
Mr Stamp has a corn cob up his rear for custom knifemakers.
If you knew the history you would understand.
He attacks custom folks and just uses us to try to make himself look like a big shot.
As E said above he claims science but it is not science. HE has no sine bar for measureing angles of edges but give us the degrees that edges areground to. He has no hardness testers . He dosent heat treat . He dosent understand ttt curves that tell the knifemaker which curve to heat treat at to get the best results for each steel. Example.
Some steel has several different high end temps to get the same hardness's as an end
result. Just because a blade is 58 rc dosent mean that the same steel from several folks will perform the same way. The toughness changes depending on which heat treat curve is chosen.
Does Cliff know this... ? NO
So he puts steels into groups and make comments that are untrue.
He has stalked custom folks for long enough.
I have several comments that he has made saved from other posts that if shown can be proved that he know not what he says.
Should this matter to you . YES
I understand Cliffs passion for knives.
My agenda is not to put Cliff down . My agenda is to show folks that Cliff is making statments that are not correct and he should not be held to the high standard that he thinks he should. The statments he makes are made to make folks think of the bad not the good. He creates doubt to keep his Star statis.

Blues use the hell out of it........That is part of your punishment
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Whats the count on this thread? Why is it so high? Think about it. If he knew what he was saying this thread would have been over long ago. If he knew the intended purpose of talonite, knife steels, and the knives he was testing it would have been over at 40 posts.

There are no wonder steels . They all perform differnt duties better than each other. Thats what makes knifemaking unique . Its more than just a test on steel and handles. The purpose of the tool has to be decided then tested for the intended use. Thats what is lacking here.

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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 07-29-2000).]
 
DR - I understand what you are saying. Just thought the first post was a little over the top and as such I missed some of your points brought out in the second post. By the way - I think Talonite is great. I can't stand rust and I hate coatings almost as much. However, in my informal use of Talonite it has not seemed to hold an edge of any kind for as long as my M2 Nimravus. It does seem to better most of my other knives though. For something that doesn't rust or stain, that is remarkable.
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Snoopy don't judge someone by one post, this thing between Cliff and Darrel has been brewing for some time now. Personally I am learning alot from it, more than I may have without it.
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I've gotten a migraine from the last hour and a half of reading this oratory, wow, has it grown and all have they're own views.

As many mentioned it's down to what you like, me....if I got a knife and didn't like it I send it back to the maker or sell it to someone who will appreciate it more than I......

In reading through this, and as someone said Purgatory is pretty close.., I had the wild thought of this scenario;

Your all in a room, there are swords on the table, a selection of steels and various compounds for the blades. Question I thought about would be if you had to hold one sword above your head to ward off anothers sword blow, Which would you choose?

Your life is at stake there, relying on your choice, you are not allowed to flee or do more than block the blow....of course this isn't everyday workplace stuff, just things that run through my head as I READ through all these posts.

The Talonite blade that I have experience with does hold an edge a long time, regular work day type stuff. The very edge is thicker than I normally like but surprisingly it still pushcut through material easily.

Kodiak PA had a good point, almost every other knife I have doesn't rust, as I take care and certainly baby them, if I were stuck in the jungle I might opt for something more rust preventive, but I'm not there yet..

Hmmmm...let the swinging begin!

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Gary
I hope Spark and Mike start a sword forum. this will baffle folks when it comes to clay heat treats and the power that the sword holds. From a good maker it is amazing what these blade will do. Personally carbon blades are my fav for swords.

Snoop
Nice sword pic on the main forum ..
Whats the steel ?

Talonite is a differnt type of steel. Think about the intended purpose. Then rate it.




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Originally posted by Snoopy:
However, in my informal use of Talonite it has not seemed to hold an edge of any kind for as long as my M2 Nimravus.
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Well, hog-sh!t!!!
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That I didn't need to hear, just after sending off the payment for a Talon.
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Well, at least it will probably hold its edge better than several of my other knives, too. And at least it is rust-proof.

And hopefully holds an edge better than titanium.
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[This message has been edited by rockspyder (edited 07-29-2000).]
 
It's OK Rockspyder, I think you are going to really like them both - I know I do. In my opinion the edge holding is very close. My Talonite blade does as others have described and won't shave after some use, but still cuts very well. The M2 blade seems to go on and on still shaving sharp unless I do something really abusive to it (cutting dirty pvc piping). I would like to save up and try one of Mr. Mayos Talonite knives as I only have one (Talon) right now. I use an EdgePro for sharpening and have the bevels on both knives appx. the same.

Darrel - happy you like the sword. Other posts brought me a little flack for it as it is in no way "conventional". It is made of A2 heat treated surprisingly high at 60rc and is hollow ground. The handles under the cord wrap are G10. It was made by a semi-neighbor named Rob Criswell who has told me if I break it, he will replace it. He has actually challenged me to do so in any manner outside using it as a lever. It is a lot of fun out in the woods and makes very quick work of the smaller trees and stays sharp with the best of them. No chips either. Sorry for even posting on you and Cliff, not my business - I do like reading his reviews though and he has given me some good machete advice.

How about a Talonite sword?
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Good Day,

My site has been mentioned as a source of information about Talonite, thought I would chime in with the URL.

http://www.geocities.com/mdpoff/talonite.html

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Well, now I have my Talonite knife, the CUDA Talon. So, I guess I can start forming some opinions of my own. First impression: it looks just like a metal blade. Oh wait, it is a metal blade. Sharp (like a razor). Haven't cut anything with it yet (not even the mail, or my finger). So, nothing more for now.

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Has anyone mentioned, or noticed, that Talonite feels funny? I mean, the side of the blade feels almost oily? At least my Talon does, and that is right after I have wiped lime-juice off it, so I don't think that there is actually oil on it. Odd....
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I noticed that too... But does not seem it impart a taste, but does seem to cut cleaner too...
 
I generally dislike serrations, but a friend of mine who is a diver likes them for underwater use. I was teling him that I believed talonite would make an excellent dive knife given its rust resistance. How would serrations perform on talonite?

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