Like I said...its just a fad...I wonder what I can use it for after???
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Talonite Good, Bad or Ugly?
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Anthony--
Thanks for the comparison. So with an approximately 33% more obtuse angle to support the edge (40 degrees to 30 degrees), the Talonite performed about as A2, which would suggest the A2 is stronger by a significant margin, as expected.
Are there no heads-up comparisons with CPM steels, in which Talonite has excelled in the areas detailed in my earlier question above?
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Actually Will, what I was trying to illustrate was that th A2 should NOT have rolled at all, but did in my very unscientific test....
The Talonite rolled, but the rolling was corrected so easily that the effort expended was meaningless.
Its just another meaningless test and a TRUE comparison cannot be made between the two knives at all, they are completely different in size, weight, shape, etc.
A-2 remains one of my favorite steels for larger knives. Talonite is my favorite non-ferrous and for some applications I prefer it to ANY steel. (animal skinning, diving)
Copfish-read my post again..I am not beating on Talonite, I have a lot of experience with the material and wouldnt be too upset if it
was the only knife blade material on the planet. For a small belt knife/folder I havent seen anything better-all around-than Talonite, and I have, and will continue to look.
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The Talonite rolled, but the rolling was corrected so easily that the effort expended was meaningless.
Its just another meaningless test and a TRUE comparison cannot be made between the two knives at all, they are completely different in size, weight, shape, etc.
A-2 remains one of my favorite steels for larger knives. Talonite is my favorite non-ferrous and for some applications I prefer it to ANY steel. (animal skinning, diving)
Copfish-read my post again..I am not beating on Talonite, I have a lot of experience with the material and wouldnt be too upset if it
was the only knife blade material on the planet. For a small belt knife/folder I havent seen anything better-all around-than Talonite, and I have, and will continue to look.
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to all, read the article in the latest issue of tactical knives, page 24/25
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Jack, concerning edge bite with Talonite on the coarse Spyderco sticks, how do you rate your steels blades performance with a similar finish?
Anthony :
The A2 blade has a thinner edge and deformed at a similar level, this shows that it is more resistant to deforming than Talonite as Will commented. Of course it is important to know whose A2, heat treated by who to what RC, cryo, etc. ?
Cougar, the "wire edge" comment only started when posts started coming in that Talonite couldn't take or hold a razor edge. It is soft and thus burrs readily and a wire edge will flop back and forth on a strop. In order to combat this people started referring to a razor edge as a "wire edge" in order to propogate the idea that this is not something that is to be desired as this is commonly used to describe a weak edge that readily breaks off - something that a razor edge doesn't do at all. High polish finishes are far more impact resist and stronger than coarse ones.
Ron, you made a deal with Busse to sell the Hood, yes it fell through but there was a time when you were promoting the Busse Combat blades heavily and you made no mention of the fact that the razor edge was not your preferred finish and in fact used it as a promotional aspect as illustrated strongly in your review. If you didn't think it was important why did you stress the razor edge holding so heavily?
-Cliff
Anthony :
The A2 blade has a thinner edge and deformed at a similar level, this shows that it is more resistant to deforming than Talonite as Will commented. Of course it is important to know whose A2, heat treated by who to what RC, cryo, etc. ?
Cougar, the "wire edge" comment only started when posts started coming in that Talonite couldn't take or hold a razor edge. It is soft and thus burrs readily and a wire edge will flop back and forth on a strop. In order to combat this people started referring to a razor edge as a "wire edge" in order to propogate the idea that this is not something that is to be desired as this is commonly used to describe a weak edge that readily breaks off - something that a razor edge doesn't do at all. High polish finishes are far more impact resist and stronger than coarse ones.
Ron, you made a deal with Busse to sell the Hood, yes it fell through but there was a time when you were promoting the Busse Combat blades heavily and you made no mention of the fact that the razor edge was not your preferred finish and in fact used it as a promotional aspect as illustrated strongly in your review. If you didn't think it was important why did you stress the razor edge holding so heavily?
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this is a part of the article by Butch Winter:
Stellite Versus Talonite
While it is not stellite, the aforementioned talonite is very similar, differing only in having only 1/2% less carbon than stellite 6K, and talonite has been hot-rolled and age hardened. And, while I have not used stellite, I have had some experience with talonite, much more than when I reported an it earlier.
To put it mildly, I am impressed. The talonite blade works every day cutting pasteboard an the packing floor at Dixie Gun Works. About once every two weeks the lady using it asks me to sharpen her knife. lt takes only about 3 or 4 strokes an each side of the blade an one of the V sharpeners I have to bring the edge back to shaving sharpness. What I'm doing is lining up those hard carbides along the cutting edge of the blade.
I have been around knives a long, long time and tend to disbelieve anyone who says he has skinned 43 buffalo, 6 elk and 3 pink elephants and his knife still has a shaving edge. Won't happen. That shaving edge is the first thing to go. I have cut the top out of metal 5-gallon cans and the knife would still be sharp, but it wouldn't shave.
I spend some time in the kitchen and keep a diamond or ceramic sharpener close at hand.
When the knife I'm using begins to "pull," one stroke an either side of the biade against the hone (something I learned from John Juranitch of Razor Edge fame) keeps everything working fine.
This all came home to me while touching up the talonite blade. Stellite and its derivatives really work. Let me suggest that if stain resistance, non-magnetism, abrasion resistance, and edge holding are important to you, look into the cobalt based metals. They aren't gonna be cheap, but nothing in life that's
worth anything ever is! TK
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Stellite Versus Talonite
While it is not stellite, the aforementioned talonite is very similar, differing only in having only 1/2% less carbon than stellite 6K, and talonite has been hot-rolled and age hardened. And, while I have not used stellite, I have had some experience with talonite, much more than when I reported an it earlier.
To put it mildly, I am impressed. The talonite blade works every day cutting pasteboard an the packing floor at Dixie Gun Works. About once every two weeks the lady using it asks me to sharpen her knife. lt takes only about 3 or 4 strokes an each side of the blade an one of the V sharpeners I have to bring the edge back to shaving sharpness. What I'm doing is lining up those hard carbides along the cutting edge of the blade.
I have been around knives a long, long time and tend to disbelieve anyone who says he has skinned 43 buffalo, 6 elk and 3 pink elephants and his knife still has a shaving edge. Won't happen. That shaving edge is the first thing to go. I have cut the top out of metal 5-gallon cans and the knife would still be sharp, but it wouldn't shave.
I spend some time in the kitchen and keep a diamond or ceramic sharpener close at hand.
When the knife I'm using begins to "pull," one stroke an either side of the biade against the hone (something I learned from John Juranitch of Razor Edge fame) keeps everything working fine.
This all came home to me while touching up the talonite blade. Stellite and its derivatives really work. Let me suggest that if stain resistance, non-magnetism, abrasion resistance, and edge holding are important to you, look into the cobalt based metals. They aren't gonna be cheap, but nothing in life that's
worth anything ever is! TK
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Wire edge.... as with most descriptors used around here some need it spelled out to the Nth degree. Nope, not the burr which can be stropped off, but (like Butch winter mentions) the shaving edge. This is referred to by Sal Glesser as the wire (again not burr) edge that his test machine records number of cuts until lost.
After the wire (or shaving, or hair popping, or insert nomiker of choice here) edge is gone, you still have an edge left and with Talonite, like Ron, Tom, Copfish, Will, Anthony, et al have described as being very, very effective as a cutter.
Much better than many other more traditional materials as this edge lasts a long darned time.
How much cardboard do you guys think that lady cuts at Dixie Gun Works before Butch has to tune the edge up? How much gypsum does Copfish cut before he tunes up? How much coax, aluminum, and rope did I cut and trim this last weekend installing three antennas (a omindirectional FM, a 106" UHF/VHF scanner array, and a long shortwave trapped dipole) on a roof mounted mast and not need to tune up?????
Get with the program! Field usage means something folks and we (those of us who actually own knives fashioned from talonite) all can't be wacko!
I too queue up with Rob and Anthony liking A2 for my big knives although that stuff Camillus is using on its Becker line ain't bad. But for utility non-choppers (read small to medium fixed and folding blades) Talonite is hard to beat.
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After the wire (or shaving, or hair popping, or insert nomiker of choice here) edge is gone, you still have an edge left and with Talonite, like Ron, Tom, Copfish, Will, Anthony, et al have described as being very, very effective as a cutter.
Much better than many other more traditional materials as this edge lasts a long darned time.
How much cardboard do you guys think that lady cuts at Dixie Gun Works before Butch has to tune the edge up? How much gypsum does Copfish cut before he tunes up? How much coax, aluminum, and rope did I cut and trim this last weekend installing three antennas (a omindirectional FM, a 106" UHF/VHF scanner array, and a long shortwave trapped dipole) on a roof mounted mast and not need to tune up?????
Get with the program! Field usage means something folks and we (those of us who actually own knives fashioned from talonite) all can't be wacko!
I too queue up with Rob and Anthony liking A2 for my big knives although that stuff Camillus is using on its Becker line ain't bad. But for utility non-choppers (read small to medium fixed and folding blades) Talonite is hard to beat.
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BUTCH brother....havent you heard its just a fad...will pass in time...just like all of us!!!
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Thank you, I understand now.
Here's a riddle for you: How much cardboard can you cut with the spine of a 1/8" (3.175mm) thick knife?
Answer: As much as you want. Try it.
Yep, even when that razor edge is gone ... you can still cut cardboard....
-Cougar :{)
Here's a riddle for you: How much cardboard can you cut with the spine of a 1/8" (3.175mm) thick knife?
Answer: As much as you want. Try it.
Yep, even when that razor edge is gone ... you can still cut cardboard....
-Cougar :{)
bald1 wrote:
Thank you for your answer bald1. Talonite supporters have been saying that the "wire edge" quickly dulls but that Talonite keeps cutting for a long time. I understand now that Talonite supporters feel that Talonite quickly dulls but keeps cutting for a long time.
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Thank you for your answer bald1. Talonite supporters have been saying that the "wire edge" quickly dulls but that Talonite keeps cutting for a long time. I understand now that Talonite supporters feel that Talonite quickly dulls but keeps cutting for a long time.
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It doesnt dull...I think the best way to describe it would be, it holds a mediocre edge for a long long time. You can get it super sharp, and its very easy to maintain that edge, I know, but I have a lot of sophisticated equipment compared to the average knife user..however, even without touching it up frequently, it keeps on going, and going, and going....the energizer knife.
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Cougar,
I had the pleasure of visiting with Sal Glesser last year. Keep in mind that as a youngster he toured with "Carnys" and hawked wares on the midway. He has a neat trick from those days where he can take the back of any knife a slice free hanging paper like no tomorrow. Cuts nice big "S" patterns or whatever floats yer boat. With the proper technique, as you allude to, a spline can make what appears to be razor sharp cuts.
And, more to the point, that technique is not what we Talonite users employ to extract that long term cutting performance we like so much.
Hope this helps.
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I had the pleasure of visiting with Sal Glesser last year. Keep in mind that as a youngster he toured with "Carnys" and hawked wares on the midway. He has a neat trick from those days where he can take the back of any knife a slice free hanging paper like no tomorrow. Cuts nice big "S" patterns or whatever floats yer boat. With the proper technique, as you allude to, a spline can make what appears to be razor sharp cuts.
And, more to the point, that technique is not what we Talonite users employ to extract that long term cutting performance we like so much.
Hope this helps.
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I'm looking forward to the test. I give my knives a couple of strops when convenient or when the knife is too dull to shave well, whichever comes first, so I doubt I would want a Talonite knife for myself, but I'm curious! Does go on cutting when it's dull just like any other knife, or does it really behave differently somehow? I'll soon find out....
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