Teaching traditional traditions.

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I think I've now come a full circle. I got volunteered to teach the cub scouts.

My cousins son has a boy in a local cub scout group, and he's been hanging out with his dad and me, listening to us talk about old times when his dad was my younger cousin on my mom's side and he spent summers with us. I took him around alot, and tought him how to shoot, and other things back when we were kids. When I was 13 or 14, my cousin Guy was 6 years younger than me, and got his first shooting lessons and safe pocket knife lessons from me. He still has fond memories of the airgun shooting down in the woods with me, Ev, and Dave Tate.

Now his son Austin has a boy in the cub scouts and he wants me to take on the role of guest instructor of airguns, pocket knives, and general outdoor stuff because alot of the dad's have never been out doing the stuff. This is kind of sad. He's also downloaded some of the stuff I've posted here on the traditional forum, and the dad's have been reading it, and seem as anxious to learn as the kids.

I find myself in a vortex of mixed feelings on this. I now have the oportunity to teach the traditional approach to pocket knives, so these kids will know a stockman from a barlow, and what to do with them, as well as pass on what Mr. Van called "the holy trinity". But I have huge butterflies in my gut knowing I could never begin to fill Mr. Van's boots. It's one thing teaching a grandson, but a dozen strangers and their kids, wow. A little intimidating. Some of the dad's were asking me what kind of knife should they get the boys, and could I teach them how to safley use and sharpen them.

I am wondering if anyone is left in the U.S. who makes a old style traditional cub scout knife? Or even a boy scout knife with the logo "Be Prepared".?

With Camillus and Schrade gone the way of most of the others, I doubt it. Heck, just for a starter knife I wish there were some Kamp Kings left. I guess with the lack of them, I may as well recomend the Victorinox recruit. Sort of similar in size to what we had, and will do to get them off to a good start. I remember when I was a kid, I used to lust after one of those belt hatchet/sheath knife combo's that had the stacked leather washers.

I guess I'd better get busy getting a teaching schedual together. I figure a conventional pocket knife should do them for camp crafts, hobo stew, survival debri huts, and such. Maybe I can teach them enough so's when they get old enough for the boy scouts they'll be a jump or two up. First thing up though will be a hiking staff making sesson like Mr. Van had us do. He always told us a good staff was an important thing to have, and he had us make them out of good hardwood. If one left a bit of nub where a small branch was, you could use if for the nose in a forest knome like face on the staff.

We'll see how it goes.
 
Jackknife, I think Mr. Van would expect you to pass on what you can to the kids, and maybe even more important, to their Dads. Just do your best and do it with proper intent might be what he would say. Keep it simple and enjoy it. When it stops being something enjoyed, stop. You teach it, they get or they don't. Some will better than others. I reckon you'll have you share of Bobby Ryersons as well as your Dave Tates.

Personally, I think that whatever skills you teach them will be overshadowed by the feeling and why that is passed along in the process. If they never were touched on that such things were ever important to a person, why they were, and how those things played a part of who a person was, then they'd have no cause to care or give thought to such. Now, they will see, hear, and feel, the human content and be touched by it. Seeds to be sown that may only take root long after you and they have gone your separate ways.

Good luck and enjoy. I know the kids & dads will.
Amos
 
Amazon has reprints of the BSA "Official Handbook for Boys" originally pub. in 1911 that's an interesting read. Also, there's "The Dangerous Book for Boys" by Conn and Hal Iggulden that's a must read for boy rearin'. Good luck and have fun with it Jackknife.

Mike
 
I taught a lot of boys in the Cubbies and Boy Scouts "tote and chip" and knife safety
One of my grandkids just made Eagle. pretty proud grampa
jack knife you will do well.

Randy
 
i think that case has a scout knife, but it is a little bit pricey.
http://www.wrcase.com/knives/view_all/browseview2.php?Family="6.5 BoneStag"&View=1&Item=3746
AG russel also has one or two versions of the scout knife, also pricey.
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/a_through_d/boker/boker_scout_or_camp_knife.html
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_...nives/a_g_russell_india_stag_scout_knife.html
kabar also makes the hobo, though its not really what you are probably looking for
https://www.kabar.com/product_detai...oryId=3,7&categoryName=Product Search Results

for beginners knives, not much beats a simple SAK, and the other tools will hopefully keep the kids from abusing the knife blade to try to open a can or turn a screw.
 
Jacknife,

There are far too many things NOT being taught to our sins and daughters these days for you to pass up this opportunity IMHO. There are also a serious lack of everyday heroes that kids can aspire to respect and remember. I know you will inspire the youngsters the way you inspire us oldsters and make us fondly remember our ideas of a real "man".
 
for beginners knives, not much beats a simple SAK, and the other tools will hopefully keep the kids from abusing the knife blade to try to open a can or turn a screw.

Yeah, thats about how I'm figuring it. Plus with the tools and the well known red handles it has a bit lower profile on the radar. Its a heck of a way to think of it, but modern life is a bit different.

Next weekend we're schedualed to have a basement rec room meeting to learn basic knife safty, and I'm going to teach them how to sharpen like Mr. Van showed us, using a small pocket hone and the circle method. Bandaids will be on hand. The dad's have as much to learn as the kids.
 
its great that you are taking this chance to teach the younger generation some good useful knowledge. i don't doubt that they will have fond memories of it someday.

a tube of medical grade super glue might be better than bandaids...it always works for me.
 
Jackknife, you've a lifetime of experience and living your values, plus the knowledge handed down to you by folks like Mr. Van and your dad. Add to that the inherent interest air guns, shooting and knives hold for Cub Scouts and you are guaranteed success. As long as they know you care about them, and you stress safety and creative problem solving like Mr. Van did for you, you will succeed.

My own son just made 1st Class in the Boy Scouts in a new troop. I've been supporting the troop by attending montly campouts and teaching merit badge classes. Because the troop is new and many of the boys not affluent, I've been thinking about bulk purchasing some knives and letting each scout earn one by doing something difficult (winter campout, difficult hike, etc.). I could sure use some advice on knife type.

On the one hand, there are Scout-type knives with all the can-opening and leather-punching do-hickeys. This is nice, but do they really need more than a blade or two? There is also the choice of good carbon steel which sharpens easily and keeps a keen edge for a long time. On the other hand is stainless which would be more forgiving of mishandling.

I'd be interested to learn what type of knife you end up with, and why. Right now I'm leaning towards a Peanut or mini-trapper in CV or 1095.

Maybe if my funds hold out, I could find a way to get inexpensive compasses, or maybe firesteels, for another reward for a difficult achievement. Just thinking out loud here...
 
I'm sure you will do well Jackknife. Passing on what you were taught is a fine tribute to the impressive teachers you had. Have fun with it!
 
Congratulations on being asked to become a quest instructor, and kudos to you for accepting. If we, us old fogies, don't pass on our knowledge and experiences, they are lost forever. I am most assured that you will make a difference in the lives of those young uns, just like Mr Van left an impression on your life.
 
Your lucky to have the opportunity to pass along your skills to the youngsters. During high school I had a close friend with a pretty poor family and a not so outdoorsy father. Her youngest brother was about 7 years old and very interested in the out doors, and he was in the cub scouts. I picked him up a Old Timer Medium jackknife, and taught him how to sharpen it and make basic stuff. It was very rewarding for me to see his skills and coordination develop, as well as seeing his imagination work and try to figure out ways around things. Just a warning though, most kids these days are not used to using tools or working with their hands so simple tasks with knives and such can be a bit of a challenge for them. I miss fishing, dutch oven cooking, and hiking with him, he was eager to learn every thing. I think SAK recruits and soldiers are great starter knives and fill the gap that the loss of Camillus and Schrade has caused. Good luck and enjoy it jackknife!
 
Continue to cement that legacy Jackknife! I think it's great that you have this opportunity. I'd be willing to bet that Mr. Van had someone that he looked up to and learned from. In a way you're even ensuring his legacy in this process as well. I have to say I'm a bit jealous that the scouts will get to hear the Mr. Van stories live and in person. Enjoy every minute of this opportunity and be sure to keep us posted with the great stories those kids are going to give you in the process.
 
I have a feeling the real beneficiaries from this are going to be us. As Jaccknife posts what and how he teaches these young men we get to follow along and probably learn more than Jackknife or the kids do. Jackknife your going to be a real treat for those young men.
 
From reading your posts (several times, each one), I think Mr. Van will be quite proud and pleased as punch. The kids will never appreciate what a fine teacher they have until they are older. Go for it and have a great time! I can't wait to hear how it goes!

I think quite a bit of Mr. Van lives on in you.
 
Jacknife, I can't think of anyone that I would rather have teach my grandson the way of the woods and the oractical uses for a pocket knife than YOU. I think that you will have a ball and find that the shoes aren't too big after all.
 
I find myself in a vortex of mixed feelings on this. I now have the opportunity to teach the traditional approach to pocket knives, so these kids will know a stockman from a barlow, and what to do with them, as well as pass on what Mr. Van called "the holy trinity". But I have huge butterflies in my gut knowing I could never begin to fill Mr. Van's boots. It's one thing teaching a grandson, but a dozen strangers and their kids, wow. A little intimidating. Some of the dad's were asking me what kind of knife should they get the boys, and could I teach them how to safley use and sharpen them.

JK.... I have three beautiful Daughters, so the Cub Scouts is not in my future. Don't sell yourself short. From what I have read here in the taditional forum of yours, I can't think of a better person to stand in front of those young men, sharing your knowledge and experiences. I know where I would stand if I did have a boy in the Cub Scouts.

Do the next generation a favor, and let them know what you have to teach them. Congrats JK.... you deserve it to be sure.:thumbup::cool:
 
Getting involved with scouting is a great thing. I have been a scout leader at various levels - from cubs to older varsity scouts - for a long time. We need more scout leaders like you who will instill and reinforce the core values of the scouting program.

If you really want a traditional cub scout knife, you can get some in decent shape on ebay for next to nothing.
 
Wow, congratulations jackknife. That's quite the honor to be asked to pass on your knowledge.

I wouldn't worry about being able to fill Mr. Van's shoes. He taught you what he knew, and you will teach them what you know. You won't know everything that Mr. Van knew, but you will know some things that he did not. You're students, young and old, are very blessed to have a teacher such as yourself.
 
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