Teaching traditional traditions.

Slightly off topic,

I keep forgetting to tell you, every time I think of your story of Mr. Van and your Dad having their little shooting contest, it always reminds me of the lesson that Scout learned in the book To Kill a Mockingbird, about her Dad, Atticus Finch. She learned pretty good after that chapter about the rabid dog and how he had to put it down.
 
Slightly off topic,

I keep forgetting to tell you, every time I think of your story of Mr. Van and your Dad having their little shooting contest, it always reminds me of the lesson that Scout learned in the book To Kill a Mockingbird, about her Dad, Atticus Finch. She learned pretty good after that chapter about the rabid dog and how he had to put it down.

Yes, we sometimes don't think about the fact that the parent we know had a whole life before we came along. Things and events happened that we have no knowledge of, that may have shaped them into the people we know after the fact. I will to the end of my days regret I knew very little about my dad till many years after his passing. But at least mom saved and documented everything. And in some of dad's old writings I found out how and when he got his peanut.
 
Alright, can I get a show of hands, fellas? Who, if you were 11 years old right now, wouldn't do whatever it took to get a spot in Jackknife's scout troop!? :thumbup: :) :D
 
Alright, can I get a show of hands, fellas? Who, if you were 11 years old right now, wouldn't do whatever it took to get a spot in Jackknife's scout troop!? :thumbup: :) :D

:thumbup::DI definitely would! That would be a great experience I'm sure
 
Alright, can I get a show of hands, fellas? Who, if you were 11 years old right now, wouldn't do whatever it took to get a spot in Jackknife's scout troop!? :thumbup: :) :D

11? Does that mean I'm to old to move to Maryland and join the scouts?::hangs head:: I guess I'll have to change my post college plans.
 
So far, just great. A really good bunch of kids that really do want to learn something. Only been a couple of bumps in the road, but they're okay now. I have about half a dozen dad's in thier late 30's that are just as eager as the kids, and sometimes I have to slow them down a bit, reminding them that some of the little kids can't quite go as fast as them. Then one dad was what I thought he was going to be, kind of upity. Said he would outfit his kid as he saw fit, and I had to tell him that his kid was the same as everyone else or he could find another venue to flaunt his wealth. It worked out.

All the boys have learned to sharpen their knives with pretty good sucsess. We started out with safe knife handling practice, and afterward dulled them up with scotchbrite so they could learn to sharpen. I think I have one Bobby Ryerson on my hands, but even he learned to get it sharp enough to slice newpaper by the end of the evening. I had to give him some extra personel instruction, but he finally got it. He's a good kid, just a little slower than the rest, so I keep an eye on him.

The next weekend we went over building a debris hut, and fire reflector. Again, most kids got it right off. Its the old little boy instinct for building a fort. When I had them do their own, they had so much enthusiasim they ended up with about 3 feet of insulation in the walls with many double armloads of leaves, pine boughs, sticks. I would not have felt bad spending a night in it.

Little boys are also natural fire bugs. Campfire building went well, with some of the dad's again having to be rained in and quietly told to let the kids do this. I finally figured out that these young fathers have had a urban upbringing, with no outdoor experiance from an old uncle of grandfather, and they are putting me in that position. I've been drafted to be a substitute grandfather to them. Its a little sad to me that there is this whole generation of young guys who never had the chance to go out and do this stuff, so now at 35 years of age they are acually more eager than their kids to be tought some of the old stuff. I don't mind, but I have to gently remind them that this is for the kids first. Like when we were doing fire building and I was down on my hands and knees showing one boy how to pulverize some tinder between two rocks, and I look up and I couldn't see any boys, just the dad's crowded in close with the kids in back of them trying to see past them. I didn't make anything over it, just called one boy from in back to come up and get a spark on it. They spread out then to let the little ones through. Karen said I just may have to hold adult classes.

Last weekend we had their first marksmenship class. Most of it was done with sharpies and paper. I had them draw the rear sight notch, then showed them how to draw the front sight in the notch, then the "soccar ball on the fence post" concept. By the end they each had an accurite drawing of proper sight picture, and this next weekend they are going to be working with my old Sheriden rifle and an old Crossman 760, and my Webley Tempast air pistol. Two nights ago I had a "dad's class" down the basement rec room with the webley. Some of them had never shot anything before, so it was the Holy Trinity from the begining, Mr. Van style. By the end of the evening they were keeping thier shots in the N.R.A. 10 meter air pistol target.

I'm having more fun than I though I was going to have. It's like somehow I inherited another two dozen grandchildren aged 8 to 37.

I'm gonna be busy.
 
So far, just great.
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I'm gonna be busy.
That's wonderful, Jackknife!

I can't tell you how many times on the shooting boards people bemoan the decline of interest in target shooting and more simple, survival type thinking. You should be proud that you're doing something to stand against that decline.

-- Sam
 
Excellent suggestions, all. I'll make another, even though the issue seems settled: Camillus 'demo' knife. They seem to be going for ~$6 on eBay.

This thread gnaws at one nagging regret I have; that I quit Scouting. We had kind of a haphazard troop, and I didn't have a great deal of support for it at home. Plus, reading the handbook made me realize that promotion came pretty slowly. Apparently then, like now, delaying gratification wasn't my long suit. :)

Best of luck, Jackknife. It's is a great thing you do here.
 
Tie a real knot, build a fire and sharpen a knife.
Bet I have "tried" to teach 1,000 + kids at fishing clinics not only how to tie the improved clinch knot but would slip in the square knot also. After scout master was killed when he got his piper cub in a thunderstorm trying to come home for the scout meeting, several of us have carried that angel on our shoulders into late manhood.
300Bucks.
 
jackknife and to all the others trying to teach children the things they should know,thankyou.I work in an outdoor store in NJ,we have a Scouting department,when parents come in looking for knives for their sons,they have to buy lock-back knives,apparently thats the requirement of the local Cub Scout troops .
 
A little offtopic

Will someone please explain how to notching the branch all the way around and snapping it off. Thanks
 
If you've ever seen a 50 foot poplar tree taken down by a beaver with inch and a half teeth, you get the idea.

If you make a deep groove all the way around the piece of wood you want to cut, the groove will act just like a stress line in a pop top beer can. With some pulling over the tree will break right at the point of the groove.

Thats a good post in the wilderness survival forum.
 
Alright, can I get a show of hands, fellas? Who, if you were 11 years old right now, wouldn't do whatever it took to get a spot in Jackknife's scout troop!? :thumbup: :) :D

I'm in. I tried the scouts when I was little & got kicked out though. But this time I really promise not to bite anyone. (UNLESS THE DON'T GIVE ME THEIR COOKIES):foot:
 
I was teaching an after school hands-on science class for 1st-6th grade a few years ago. Part of the feedback I got from the mothers is that their kids had never really had a chance to use tools. As part of our standard lab setup I made some crude wooden vices attached to a plywood base. I gave the kids hacksaws and let them find out about materials by sawing them. I gave them wood, plastic, aluminum, copper, brass, steel, stainless steel, titanium, magnesium, and even some lead. After we cut them up I showed then how each type of material burns or dissolves in specific chemicals. We compared how much they weighed. Most of the kids had no idea what the materials around them were really like. Kids need more hands on experiences, boys and girls.
 
Elemental lead is pretty harmless. Think of all the .22 ammunition and fishing sinkers that boys have used over the years. Elemental lead is just not very water soluble and lead particles from a saw won't float in the air since it is coarse and heavy. The problem is usually chronic exposure to lead oxides or methylated lead. All that being said I didn't let the kids take samples of lead home, but I did let them take home samples of all the other materials. The kids always wore gloves in the class and I did a lot of cleaning up after class.

I wouldn't even try and do this anymore. People have gotten too hysterical these days. The real danger tends to come from mercury exposure, not lead exposure. All those low-energy fluorescent bulbs and tubes are coated in mercury which slowly evaporates if the bulb is broken. This is a better case for alarm. http://www.govlink.org/hazwaste/house/products/AnyProduct.cfm?entityID=922&catID=935
 
Interesting Jeff, thanks for the information. I know lead oxide (the white powdery stuff), is to be avoided, and never to wash that oxide off of lead pellets with vinegar (which can take it transdermal PDQ), but I didn't realize elemental lead was not that likely to get in the body.

But then again I grew up in the era of leaded gasoline, and lead toothpaste tubes, so what do I know? I do have 4 kids, and have them wash their hands and mouths twice after shooting at the range. I also have my son take old shoes to the indoor range, shoes that stay in the garage.

I agree about the mercury hazard of compact fluorescent lightbulbs. I heard an interview on NPR where a scientist told an environmental-activist just how hazardous the mercury in the bulbs was, and that there was not 1 plant in the US that could safely reclaim the mercury to keep it out of the environment. You could have heard a pin drop it was so quiet--it just shut the talk of carbon footprint right down, since the dangers of mercury are so well known, and mercury is not a good trade off.

Anyway, thanks for the info.
 
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