Tell me about hinderer knives.

[Eliteone2383]

In my research for Sebenzas i came acroos Hinderer knives. I got a little over 400 to spend. Is one a better investment over the other?

 

[wtlj]

If you want a Flipper look into ZT, the Hinderer's don't flip well (I've had multiple gen 3 & 4). Otherwise stick with your initial choice, the sebenza.


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[dalefuller]

I've had multiple versions of Sebenzas and XM-18s. Personally, and I'm speaking as a buyer/user here, not a designer/manufacturer, I don't think either brand is worth their pricing. Now that I've said that... I would buy another Sebenza for that amount before I bought another Hinderer.

I liked one thing about the XM-18s. Both sizes are surprisingly comfortable in my hand. They "hold" very well. Nothing else stood out to me and made them $425 knives. Not the materials, not the tolerances, not the action, and especially not the edge. Everything works, nothing's outstanding.

Sebenzas are a little different. I like the materials and the F&F on all the ones I've had. I like the CRK concept of user maintenance. I just don't like the knives themselves. They don't feel good in hand to me, large or small. I have trouble opening both sizes because of the style of the thumb lugs and neither size is comfortable to me in use.

The advantage to you is that both brands can be moved along pretty easily if you get something you don't want to keep. You'll have to sell for a few $ under what you paid, but if you're patient, you can get most of your $ back. Sebenzas have a longer history of being "the knife" to people like us. You might have a higher chance of liking it enough to keep it if you start there.

 

[Armadew]

I love my XM24. Flips really well.

 

[Eliteone2383]

Thanks for the replies guys.

 

[Officer's Match]

I love my XM24. Flips really well.

Same here, my first was a Spanto, my second a Bowie. That Bowie is absolutely an outstanding flipper and an extremely well made knife - well worth the $ IMHO.




I'll second the praise of their grip feel too - I've had all three sizes of XM and all felt fantastic in the hand, quite possible the most secure grips of any folders I've encountered.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Hinderer and CRK both are well made knives, but unless you really need the overbuild of the Hinderer, I would go with the Sebenza. IMO The Sebenza is just amore practical EDC. If You look in the exchange you should be able to get a vice Sebenza and still have some change.
If you want more info on the Hinderer there is a Sub Forum in the archives, and of course CRK has a sub forum here also.
I own them both(like them both), but they are apples to oranges comparison. They may be both well known companies that sell for approximately the same amount, but that is about it.

 

[Eliteone2383]

How would the Benchmade titanium monolock compare to the sebenza?

 

[ridnovir]

I had 4 o f them and sold all of them. Every single one had weak detent and could be easily shaken open. Fit and finish is lacking considering the price point. If you like hinderer form-factor you would be bast advised to look into Curtiss Knives

 

[T.K.C.]

Search is your friend!! There are a plenty of Hinderer threads.

 

[Grandmaster]

The hinderer detent has been dealt with, I own 5, and all of them are great flippers I also own 4 CRK, and prefer the hinderer, my edc is a fatty wharny, no problem with the detent, I would go with hinderer over CRK

 

[Officer's Match]

I had 4 o f them and sold all of them. Every single one had weak detent and could be easily shaken open. Fit and finish is lacking considering the price point. If you like hinderer form-factor you would be bast advised to look into Curtiss Knives

This is outdated information. As for the Curtiss, I personally have an aversion to the internal stop pin and inherent weakness of the blade tang that style creates.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I feel the sebenza and the xm are great knives. But I do not feel either should command the prices they do. If you have $400 to spend, I would personally look at other brands that offer more value. 10 years ago their were a lot less high end options. Now its almost limitless. Don't get me wrong, they are good knives. But you can get the same materials, fit and finish at a much lower price point if you wanted to.

 

[OilMan]

If you want a Flipper look into ZT, the Hinderer's don't flip well (I've had multiple gen 3 & 4). Otherwise stick with your initial choice, the sebenza.


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This.

 

[silenthunterstudios]

I've flipped a few Hinderers, never owned them, compared a few to my 561 and 562s. The Zero Tolerance collaborations were better made. My two favorite companies are CRK and ZT, although I have three CRKs, a new pivot Umnumzaan, 21 large micarta Sebenza and my EDC, an Insingo large micarta. I'm looking at getting a large Inkosi with micarta inserts, natural if I can find one when I have some $ in my pocket.

I've seen subsequent Hinderers at shops and shows, and while the actions might have improved, I don't see the uptick in price. I'd love to own one, better made than Striders, but I'm planning on getting one of the new steel (other than Elmax) 562s.

I would go with a Sebenza, Umnumzaan, Inkosi or Insingo. All are well made blades. Check out the 562 before you get a full blown Hinder. If the collaboration was not an improvement over the midtech version, I'd still say go for the CRK.

All of that said I still want an XM18.

 

[halden.doerge]

Another vote for the sebenza. I've owned at least 5 gen 4 XM18s, both 3" and 3.5" and while they are well built, they just aren't good cutters and the blade length to weight ratio is pretty mediocre.

If I feel like an XM, I just reach for my ZT 0562CF.

 

[Mick_1KRR]

Owned and used both, in my opinion the Sebenza is the better knife,

- it actually cuts things, without having to be completely re-profiled to thin out the ludicrous edge thickness on the Hinderers
- maintenance philosophy is fantastic, one tool for the whole job VS a special tool to be made yourself or purchased just to remove the pivot
- action always good and centered due to the pivot bushing no matter how many times you break it down for cleaning
- you can actually cut an apple with the Seb

Hinderers are well styled knives if you're into thick heavy knives, hardware is well made and they feel good in hand. But I honestly think long term you'll be happier with a Seb as a carry knife to actually cut things. Or heck there are even other knives cheaper that give the Seb a run for it's money. Remember the Sebenza wont cut any better or do anything special than some other well made knives, it's more the appreciation and pride of ownership you'll get from a knife like a Sebenza. For instance a Spyderco Military in CTS204p will out cut a Sebenza and last just as long with arguably better steel and feel in hand. It's large tho, comes down to personal preference, plenty of other options, you don't need to spend 400+ to get a fantastic knife.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Owned and used both, in my opinion the Sebenza is the better knife,

- it actually cuts things, without having to be completely re-profiled to thin out the ludicrous edge thickness on the Hinderers
- maintenance philosophy is fantastic, one tool for the whole job VS a special tool to be made yourself or purchased just to remove the pivot
- action always good and centered due to the pivot bushing no matter how many times you break it down for cleaning
- you can actually cut an apple with the Seb

Hinderers are well styled knives if you're into thick heavy knives, hardware is well made and they feel good in hand. But I honestly think long term you'll be happier with a Seb as a carry knife to actually cut things. Or heck there are even other knives cheaper that give the Seb a run for it's money. Remember the Sebenza wont cut any better or do anything special than some other well made knives, it's more the appreciation and pride of ownership you'll get from a knife like a Sebenza. For instance a Spyderco Military in CTS204p will out cut a Sebenza and last just as long with arguably better steel and feel in hand. It's large tho, comes down to personal preference, plenty of other options, you don't need to spend 400+ to get a fantastic knife.

What knife are you referring to when you say "Vs. a special tool to be made yourself or purchased just to remove the pivot"? Are you sure you aren't thinking strider? The pivot on a hinderer is a flat head slot.

 

[Mick_1KRR]

What knife are you referring to when you say "Vs. a special tool to be made yourself or purchased just to remove the pivot"? Are you sure you aren't thinking strider? The pivot on a hinderer is a flat head slot.

I'm referring to Hinderer, if the flat head male threaded pin is loctited in place the whole barrel (female and male side) will spin. The female side is a non standard Hinderer designed fitting, so to brace both sides you need to use one normal flat head plus the proprietary Hinderer tool.

I made my own out of a coin.

 

[sharp_edge]

I have only two xm-18s. Both flip great. Granted they are gen 4. I also have one sebenza 21 and multiple ZTs. Let me put it this way. If Sebenza is worth the price, so is xm-18 IMO.