"Tenacious" model

Looks pretty decent to me. Might be a PITA to sharpen, though.

Any idea of how much these are going to cost?
 
Sal, what I got out of what you wrote is that you're going to China for this one as much for the quantity they can produce as for the price. That sounds good to me, that Spyderco is going to be able to increase service to a mass market, which is good for the company as a whole.

Of course the knife itself looks good, too. :)
 
Hey Sal,
You make a quality knife no matter where it's sourced. The best way to defeat the Chicoms is by engaging them financially, remember it's "one China, two economic systems". One can find many privately owner factories that comply with US standards concerning the treatment of their workers. Good luck in the new venture!

Cheers,
Rob
 
Sal,
I think Spyderco buyers will continue to support your business as long as you don't move the corporate HQ to Dubai or the Cayman Islands. That being said, we also prefer to buy all American. We live in a global world, and we cannot totally divorce ourselves from overseas production, (heck, my car was made in Japan) but we also want to buy quality. If the SAME quality standards are applied, the Tenacious will succeed. However, if this knife is reduced in quality, the forumites will be the first to signal it as the beginning of the end.

Here comes the hard part. When the first batch of knives comes in that doesn't match what you specified, what do you do? We all want to assume you will send them back, and not even let them see the light of day, but that decision is tough with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Easy when you have nothing invested. Heres hoping to continued quality over quantity. Good luck and god bless.

xdshooter
 
Being upfront with the forumites is a top notch move. Yet another reason my Spyderco & Byrd collection keeps growing. Thank you Sal :D
 
I'm afraid I would have to pass on this one, I may be one of the few here that are willing to pay more for the made in USA knives but thats how I feel. When there are no more made here I'll give up buying new knives and just pick up the old stuff.
 
Mr Glesser,

I apologize. I have obviously not been doing my part & buying enough of Spyderco's products. I will endeavor to do so more so that you may return to other countries of manufacture.

Mac

Seriously, the fact that Mr. Glesser would even bother to say this is an example of why it doesn't bother me that Spyderco will have a Chinese knife. It'll still be a Spyderco, and that means it will be good.
 
I've been looking at this thread for little while, and honestly I can understand why the decision was made there's a large market to be filled, and definitely an obligation to the distributors, working in retail I understand how this relationship works saying it first hand.

what can we expect from me steel used on these never having a bird knife. I can only imagine how we compare to the rest my spyderco's, I imagine it would be okay. I wouldn't have to see one of these personally and at this price I would probably buy it from brick-and-mortar store. to personally assure the fit and finish of the lock. especially in the knife in general.

I am not a fan of the modern China. but I by many of their products and politics are not mainly my thing.
 
maybe i'm missing something here, i haven't been around spyderco as long as many of you, but the bread and butter of spyderco has to be their endura/delica line up,atleast in my opinion, which are made in seki city japan......whats wrong with a NEW model being made in china?...i mean we should have harder feeling toward japan if any towards either.....its not like military, native, paramilitary etc. are being exported to increase profits......you can still buy a spyderco that support your economy, or buy a spyderco that supports world economy YOU STILL HAVE A CHOICE YAHHHHH!
 
I've handled the Byrd line of knives. And I have regular Spydies made in Japan and Colorado. There is a big difference in quality, IMO.

I do understand the economics of it, but I will continue to buy only Japanese / US-made Spydercos. For now.

Boker's Taiwanese made knives (sub-com, trance etc) seem to have very very good quality tho', better than the Byrd range, IMO. Perhaps Taiwan is a possible alternative?

Regardless, that design is distinctively Spyderco, not sure I like the way the bevel is cut at a bias at the handle.
 
This is a good looking knife.
I'll get one.

I know making a knife in china isn't popular, but it's what the market demands. I think most people will understand.
 
In general, the quality of knives I've seen coming out of Taiwan is excellent.

On the other hand, I still haven't seen a knife manufactured in mainland China that I'd want to own.

Perhaps this one will be different.
 
I certainly hope that this is the only Spyderco knife to be made in China. I would hate to see Spyderco shift production of regular models to China.
 
This is exactly what is going to happen, first an introduction of the Byrd brand, some of us where unhappy but hey it's not a spyderco right, just another brand , made and produced by Spyderco in China.
Then it changed from Byrd knives to Spyderco/Byrd knives.
Now the first model under the brand Spyderco is made in China.
Others will follow.
High end knives will be still made in Golden Colorado, but the weight of manufacturing will change to China.
The Chinese factory will outsource the production to different manufacturers, and the QC of the knives will slowly start to deteriorate.
Fingers will be pointed towards each other, long communication lines will be established, language barriers, different work ethics.
Then some bad batches will slip thrue QC and a small percentage of customers will get unhappy.
W&R? Sorry dude, the parts are located 6500 miles away. Send it in and we will try to work it out.
The vast majority of ELU will not care if this happens because they see knives as tools.
knives will become throw awy objects, broken or chipped, hey it's 30$ dollar knife? Why repair it? Buy a new one!
Scores of spydercoesque knives will flood the market and only experts will know the difference between a genuine product and a copy.
Corruption will slip in in the subcontractors. batches of steel and parts will be inferiour.
The Knife collector will loose it's faith in Spyderco and it's products and will move on to firms that have in house manufacturing.
In 10 years the Spyderco brand will be sold to an international investment firm and Sal and Eric will be on the board.
After a feud Sal and Eric leave the board and the Spyderco brand has no ties to the origional designer or the brand .

Spyderco fails to follow up on customers request and dissolves in the ever changing globalised market.

The End.

This is what i fear will happen, i hope i am wrong. I have been collecting and using Spyderco knives for more then 18 years now. Is it sad? yes, but it seems to be the trend in everythig i buy these days. Everything has turned into disposable waste, no product has a suspected life cycle of more the 5 to 10 years anymore, break and replace policy, everything turns into mediocre , quality, workmanship, materials.

I REALLY hope i am wrong on this one.

Will i buy the knife? Yes probably, because i have to, because i can't afford to buy a high € knife for opening packages and cutting string.
Will it made me sad? yep, but hey, i am an old timer, a grumpy old man who mumbles about how everything was better in the old days, with weird thoughts about things beeing made to last for a lifetime, whil my kids and grandkids will be amused that old pop gets anoyed because he expects that he can buy something 1.0 and believes it will not be outdated in 6 months.

Can i blame Spyderco for jumping on the train? Nope, but luckely i can still feel sad about it.

just my 2 cents
 
Sal, I understand and you have my complete support, but reason #4 still makes me mad! Being forced to have to produce a Spyderco knife in China partly because of another knife company's imitation (i.e. lack of innovation) just plain hurts!

I often wondered why a person I tremendously respected would have gone to work with with the type of company that would do something like that, especially after this person had been the victim of similar circumstances. Well, suffice it to say, the answer to my question recently became apparent to me.

Sal, you and Spyderco have my full support, wherever your knives are made!

Regards,
3G

P.S. I'm still looking forward to the Citadel, BTW!
 
Sal,
That's a nice looking knife–like a cross between the D'Allara and the Mini Manix.
I don't mind things being Chinese made so much, provided there are still choices available. I tried to buy a pair of running shoes once that were not made in China and it was impossible. If I'm down on the Chinese government for some reason I'd like to know I've got the option to opt out of their products, and I'd hate to think Spyderco might be on my boycott list.
That being said, I guess it's unlikely Chinese prison labor will be used to make knives, anyway!
Competition is good. If this doesn't work out you can always stick with Golden or Seki or go somewhere else.
Thanks for the post.
 
J85909266 said:
I could hardly see why one would hold this against Spyderco when the Byrd line is already well known under that name.

It's very nice to have you take the time to explain this to us, however. You certainly don't have to, and it's nice to know that you actually care how we feel.

I will never condemn somebody for doing what they have to to support their livelihood. The same people that complain about China made knives have a house full of China made products that they use every day anyway.

The only complaint I have is the liner lock. I guess the people the knife is marketed to like liner locks, for whatever reason.
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The attitude of it is OK to buy Chinese quality reflected is what has made America what it is today. No many of us don't have a houseful of Chinese made products and actively avoid buying China and other poorly made items at big box stores. The informational post by S is a marketing piece and a poor attempt by the company to make Lemonade out of Lemons with regard to the premature release of information. For me it is just a bunch of smoke behind a business dacision trying to make us feel compassion for their so called situation.

I have little compassion for the rationale of the company wanting to grow their business and profits by corrupting the main trade name and then trying to convice purchaser they had no other choice but to take the road to Burma to do it. No one is forcing them to sell to big box stores as there are several avenues of sale for demand quality items - the information will defiantatly figure into my buying decisions. At least in the short run it will make your non-Chinese knives more valuable and as the name is dilluted and when they go out of business a collector piece. Just my opinion.
 
Looks good. I can't complain that you'll make some knives there, you really have to to compete. Just don't send everything over there. With that said, I actually am kind of excited. I have been looking at getting a spydie for awhile and this may be inexpensive enough I can afford it.

Any chance of adding a wave model? Pretty please? Then I'd buy this one hands down, otherwise I'll probably still get a delica.

~Cody

EDIT: Papercut: It has CHINA prominantly stamped on the blade, so as not to trick people. And, I am fine with it so long as not every knife, or even a majority, is made in China. A couple are fine, every model and there is a problem.
 
A very thoughtful post that i think reflects most of our experiences. I bought my first spydie in 1993 or so. This disposable societal paradigm is creeping into every facet of our culture. It's really too bad.

Unfortunately, money is king.

Mongo-man said:
This is exactly what is going to happen, first an introduction of the Byrd brand, some of us where unhappy but hey it's not a spyderco right, just another brand , made and produced by Spyderco in China.
Then it changed from Byrd knives to Spyderco/Byrd knives.
Now the first model under the brand Spyderco is made in China.
Others will follow.
High end knives will be still made in Golden Colorado, but the weight of manufacturing will change to China.
The Chinese factory will outsource the production to different manufacturers, and the QC of the knives will slowly start to deteriorate.
Fingers will be pointed towards each other, long communication lines will be established, language barriers, different work ethics.
Then some bad batches will slip thrue QC and a small percentage of customers will get unhappy.
W&R? Sorry dude, the parts are located 6500 miles away. Send it in and we will try to work it out.
The vast majority of ELU will not care if this happens because they see knives as tools.
knives will become throw awy objects, broken or chipped, hey it's 30$ dollar knife? Why repair it? Buy a new one!
Scores of spydercoesque knives will flood the market and only experts will know the difference between a genuine product and a copy.
Corruption will slip in in the subcontractors. batches of steel and parts will be inferiour.
The Knife collector will loose it's faith in Spyderco and it's products and will move on to firms that have in house manufacturing.
In 10 years the Spyderco brand will be sold to an international investment firm and Sal and Eric will be on the board.
After a feud Sal and Eric leave the board and the Spyderco brand has no ties to the origional designer or the brand .

Spyderco fails to follow up on customers request and dissolves in the ever changing globalised market.

The End.

This is what i fear will happen, i hope i am wrong. I have been collecting and using Spyderco knives for more then 18 years now. Is it sad? yes, but it seems to be the trend in everythig i buy these days. Everything has turned into disposable waste, no product has a suspected life cycle of more the 5 to 10 years anymore, break and replace policy, everything turns into mediocre , quality, workmanship, materials.

I REALLY hope i am wrong on this one.

Will i buy the knife? Yes probably, because i have to, because i can't afford to buy a high € knife for opening packages and cutting string.
Will it made me sad? yep, but hey, i am an old timer, a grumpy old man who mumbles about how everything was better in the old days, with weird thoughts about things beeing made to last for a lifetime, whil my kids and grandkids will be amused that old pop gets anoyed because he expects that he can buy something 1.0 and believes it will not be outdated in 6 months.

Can i blame Spyderco for jumping on the train? Nope, but luckely i can still feel sad about it.

just my 2 cents
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